Coronavirus, Covid 19 Discussion and How It Has Affected Your Daily Life Chat Thread

[BDutch]

Ah, thank you! I've been double-vaccinated since early March, but have continued to wear my mask to support my kiddo. He's 7 years old, and I figured it'd be less lonely if I kept mine on. Remember -- no vaccine is available in the US for children 11 years or younger yet...

It’s extremely rare if a child under 12 gets very sick of Covid.

 

[LaurEliz]

Ah, thank you! I've been double-vaccinated since early March, but have continued to wear my mask to support my kiddo. He's 7 years old, and I figured it'd be less lonely if I kept mine on. Remember -- no vaccine is available in the US for children 11 years or younger yet...

That’s part of why I wear mine too! In the kids section where I work we have a sign strongly suggesting children 2-11 still wear masks. A lot of parents don’t make their kids wear theirs, but some still do and I think the kids feel better about it if the librarian is too.

 

[heatherbeast]

It’s extremely rare if a child under 12 gets very sick of Covid.

Certainly. However, kiddo has landed in the ER with asthma before, so he is at-risk.

I've noticed several people in this thread recently sharing stories about how masking, distancing, and hand hygiene have reduced or eliminated their winter illnesses. There is enough data out there that shows this is true!

Respiratory Syncytial Virus is bad news for young children. The rates first declined sharply in 2020 when people were taking hygienic precautions of cleaning, hand-washing, masking, and distancing. The country's collective give-a-damn ran out this spring after the CoVID vaccine rollout, with people lying about vaccination status and engaging in riskier behaviors, both individually and as a matter of state policy.

I particularly wanted to point out that the control measures for the pandemic also decreased illness and mortality from other respiratory diseases such as influenza and RSV. Those clinics, hospitals, and doctors' offices that have the capacity to perform PCR tests for Flu A, Flu B, and RSV didn't suddenly stop in 2020 and decide en masse that everything was CoVID -- they were still testing, and those tests came back negative for those other respiratory viruses.

A couple of sources:

https://www.aha.org/news/headline/2...ns-respiratory-virus-activity-southern-states

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/flu-has-disappeared-worldwide-during-the-covid-pandemic1/

 

[Beer can]

Didn't win anything.

 

[Beer can]

JAMA Network pediatrics ;
"Many governments have made nose and mouth covering or face masks compulsory for schoolchildren. The evidence base for this is weak.1,2 The question whether nose and mouth covering increases carbon dioxide in inhaled air is crucial. A large-scale survey3 in Germany of adverse effects in parents and children using data of 25 930 children has shown that 68% of the participating children had problems when wearing nose and mouth coverings."

Link;
The mask study

 

[heatherbeast]

JAMA Network pediatrics ;
"Many governments have made nose and mouth covering or face masks compulsory for schoolchildren. The evidence base for this is weak.1,2 The question whether nose and mouth covering increases carbon dioxide in inhaled air is crucial. A large-scale survey3 in Germany of adverse effects in parents and children using data of 25 930 children has shown that 68% of the participating children had problems when wearing nose and mouth coverings."

Link;
The mask study

Which is an excellent argument against in person schooling in cramped quarters. Kids stink at keeping masks up over the nose, putting on or off, etc.

Sorry about the lotto!

 

[Hayden Goseek]

Those clinics, hospitals, and doctors' offices that have the capacity to perform PCR tests for Flu A, Flu B, and RSV didn't suddenly stop in 2020 and decide en masse that everything was CoVID -- they were still testing, and those tests came back negative for those other respiratory viruses.

FYI During the Bloom last spring (2020), for 3 months our hospital had NO CVA (stroke) alerts where we normally had at least two a day. Very few if any MI's (heart attack).

 

[Beer can]

Which is an excellent argument against in person schooling in cramped quarters. Kids stink at keeping masks up over the nose, putting on or off, etc.

Sorry about the lotto!

Why does a scientific study of children wearing masks that shows detrimental effects not concern people? Why does scientific studies that show children getting the vaccine have a much greater response of heart and brain problems not concern people? Children that have been scientifically proven to be less susceptible to covid?

 

[BigBlueHen53]

I may regret this, but .....

Children may not have severe effects from Covid themselves, but ... they can be asymptomatic and transmit it to others. And the Covid can mutate in them and become a more dangerous variant, which is what's happening with the Delta variant.* So THAT'S why kids, an, in fact, as many people as possible should be vaccinated. Not just to protect the person being vaccinated, but to protect EVERYBODY. To stop the Covid.

*Disclaimer: not saying Delta started in kids. Saying it likely started in unvaccinated people.

 

[heatherbeast]

FYI During the Bloom last spring (2020), for 3 months our hospital had NO CVA (stroke) alerts where we normally had at least two a day. Very few if any MI's (heart attack).

I'm not sure that stroke and infractions would present to clinics and urgent cares. I do get your point about resources being diverted.

Why does a scientific study of children wearing masks that shows detrimental effects not concern people? Why does scientific studies that show children getting the vaccine have a much greater response of heart and brain problems not concern people? Children that have been scientifically proven to be less susceptible to covid?

The kids would have to properly wear a mask for about a month for 1.4% CO2 to cause respiratory distress. The researchers incorrectly claim the CO2 level of the 45 study participants caused hypercapnia -- they never measured the blood CO2 levels in study participants. The researchers note a decreasing CO2 amount relative to increasing age of the children -- once they split the study group by age, they have as few as 1, and up to only six measurements. That's... not a lot of data points. Thank you for linking directly to the manuscript, though, that does make reviewing it easier. I've seen entire pages where people argue past each other's points because they thought the other poster meant something different!

I have seen some reports that the spike protein created once the vaccine is in the body was causing trouble. I haven't seen enough specifics (which vaccine formulation, can the spike protein actually move throughout the body after vaccination, what type of damage, etc) to decide the validity of those claims. I can look in the morning if I can remember.