Coronavirus, Covid 19 Discussion and How It Has Affected Your Daily Life Chat Thread

[Beer can]

Also if someone was vaccinated which vaccine they had and how long after they got the vaccine did they get their "breakthrough" case.

Six months for the wife Johnson and Johnson, and DD Pfizer, five months for me Pfizer.
About time to stop considering them "breakthrough" cases it's become expected. Was up to 43% covid+ vaccinated in my county last week, down to 38% now.
Been running about 23% nationwide.
How many never know though if no symptoms prob not getting tested.

It is really hard to make anything of how "bad" a person's second case was vs how bad the case was of someone who got a breakthrough case (ie how much protection each gave) since one really has no idea how bad a case they would have if they hadn't been vaccinated.

Yup. Say I had a 80% chance without vaccine of experiencing mild symptoms and vaccine brought me up to 90% chance, really can't say how it would have went had I been unvaccinated.

 

[heatherbeast]

Were you all tested for Delta? That variant is 32-1000x more contagious than the alpha, beta, or gamma variants that we may have experienced since early March 2020. Also JnJ is kinda shit compared to Moderna (not the official stance of the CDC, LOL)

 

[Brooks_]

43% covid+ vaccinated in my county last week, down to 38% now.

People moving out? More people eligible? Vax doesn't really stop contracting or spreading...what's the % matter?

 

[Sydney65]

Now your making shtuff up.
mediabiasfactcheck.com;
Overall, we rate WION Least Biased based on reasonably balanced editorial positions and minimal use of loaded language in news reporting.
MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY

No, I did see that, but I looked further. "The World is One News (WION) is an Indian multinational[1] English language news channel headquartered in New Delhi.[2" owned by a "debt ridden conglomerate holding company named Essel Group."
"Newslaundry stated in a 2020 article that "Notwithstanding its occasional forays into hyperbole, WION is a rather respectable news channel". However, it also criticised Chaudhary for pushing Islamophobia and biased reporting.[20"
From your own reference, the complete statement was "

• Overall, we rate WION Least Biased based on reasonably balanced editorial positions and minimal use of loaded language in news reporting. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to a lack of hyperlinked sourcing in most articles and promotion of misinformation regarding Covid-19 (which is our topic matter.) Still from your source:
• publishes tabloid-style stories ...They use various news agencies, some of which are not known by us, and some highly credible such as AFP. However, they usually poorly source their articles using quotations without linking to the source, such as “Kim Yo Jong: Meet the ‘Ivanka Trump’ of North Korea” and “FBI contradicts White House on probe of former aide Rob Porter.”
  

  Failed Fact Chvirus” named hantavirus has emerged in China in March 2020 – False​

  • “Portuguese nurse dies two days after getting the Pfizer Covid vaccine” – Misleading
  This following site is all muddled up, I hope you can read comment that starts with, "Dude". I'm not picking on this one source you've given, I do this with all sources bc of all the misguided info we're being fed these days.

(And then forgets to post link)
https://www.teamblind.com/post/Wion-News---Your-thoughts-jK8nk4WT

 

[Brooks_]

32-1000x

That's a big spread.

 

[heatherbeast]

ACIP just approved the Pfizer vaccine for 5-11 year olds. One step closer.

 

[heatherbeast]

That's a big spread.

Yes it is, no bones about that. Truth usually ain't that simple or easy.

 

[Sydney65]

I don't know about @h2oratt's reason but this sort of information is interesting since there are so many questions about how much "protection" a person gets from the vaccines vs having Covid and if that protection wanes over time.

It would be useful if there was data showing when people who had it twice got the first case and the second, time between and if the second case was the apparently much more infectious Delta variant.

Also if someone was vaccinated which vaccine they had and how long after they got the vaccine did they get their "breakthrough" case.

It is really hard to make anything of how "bad" a person's second case was vs how bad the case was of someone who got a breakthrough case (ie how much protection each gave) since one really has no idea how bad a case they would have if they hadn't been vaccinated.

And how they'll fair with Delta +

 

[Sydney65]

Six months for the wife Johnson and Johnson, and DD Pfizer, five months for me Pfizer.
About time to stop considering them "breakthrough" cases it's become expected. Was up to 43% covid+ vaccinated in my county last week, down to 38% now.
Been running about 23% nationwide.
How many never know though if no symptoms prob not getting tested.

Yup. Say I had a 80% chance without vaccine of experiencing mild symptoms and vaccine brought me up to 90% chance, really can't say how it would have went had I been unvaccinated.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-per...9-antibodies-decay-quickly-after-mild-illness
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/vaccine-induced-immunity.html
This is the part I don't like- immunity for the flu is also only 6 months, but the flu tends to go away for warmer months.

 

[heatherbeast]

Immunity for respiratory viruses is never that great -- one reason why science has never pursued a cold vaccine. Intramuscular injections for illnesses like tetanus or heptatitis provide 10-year or lifetime immunity because the antibodies produced by vaccination are IgG. These are responsible for your acquired, aka learned, immunity, in the sterile spaces of your body like your blood (hepatitis), muscles (polio, tetanus) and organs (whooping cough vaccine, and hepatitis again). However, these antibodies do not patrol the mucous membranes of your lungs, nose, and mouth -- that is left to a different type of antibody, IgA. This is one reason why vaccinated people can carry and shed respiratory viruses like RSV, influenza, and CoVID.

That said, it is still worth it to get the vaccines because the likelihood of invasive disease (ie, where your IgG antibodies can work once flu or CoVID breach your mucous membranes) is vastly lower. Your viral load is lower, and your length of illness is shorter. These factors mean that an immunized person is still less infectious than someone who has had COVID, and even less likely to spread illness than someone who is sick with CoVID for the first ever time.