this is awesome nicalandia very easy to understand and see why and how genes combine. This is a great way to answer for us genetic ignorant people to underztand and learn
Cream Legbar Hybrid Thread
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That may seem perfectly clear to you, and I can get a flavor of things but, its mostly Latin to me...then again, I'm a rookie....
Same here stake, I read that word for word, too. Several times........ I did deduce that genetically different colors..... but I knew that before I read nic's genetic description.......
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all you need to kow is that the males will look like the gold pencileed males but with Barring on it, they will look Red barred, the females will also look like normal pencilled females but with barring too if you do F1xF1 and hatch about 60 eggs you should expect some "Cream" Pencilled Hamburg looking birds aswell...
all you need to kow is that the males will look like the gold pencileed males but with Barring on it, they will look Red barred, the females will also look like normal pencilled females but with barring too if you do F1xF1 and hatch about 60 eggs you should expect some "Cream" Pencilled Hamburg looking birds aswell...
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Thank you, nic. That description I understood!
Yes, an older rooster or hen, will have more flavor than a 4 or 5 month old fryer.
I screwed up and fried them up to soon! Rule #1 is don't fry up the older birds. Rule #2 is let them sit in fridge in water or salt water for 2 to 5 days.
When you kill a chicken rigor mortis sets in. You need the minimum of 2 days for the muscles to start to break down.
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Posting this as Educational Post, source> https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/301500/naked-neck-turken-thread/10290#post_13251581
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Ok I will try to explain this..
Most Easter Eggers have only one Copy of the blue egg shell gene(Unless is a pure Ameraucana, which EEs are not) that single Copy of the blue egg shell gene is Linked the Pea Comb by 4 centimorgan, so its very very close, so what does this link thing means? it means that whererver the Pea comb genes goes, the blue egg shell gene will follow, and the single comb gene that is also pressent on the EE hen does not have a blue egg shell gene linked to it, so it means that wherever the single gene comb goes, it will go alone and will not have a blue egg shell gene.. so the Mother Had only one copy of the Pea comb gene and looks like she inherit her Offspring(your pink egg laying pullet) that lonly single comb gene.. so from Dame side she is NOT getting the blue egg shell gene
Now to the Sire side The Sire inherited Only 1 Copy of the blue egg shell gene from the Cream legbar(therfore his sisters layd blue colored eggs) But guess What? Remember how the blue egg shell gene is linked to the pea comb? well sometimes(about 3% chance) the blue egg shell will migrate to the single comb gene, Dr. Punnett got Chilean hens that had single comb and that also laid blue eggs, these hens were the foundation stock for the cream legbar, these hens were what is know in genetic terms, Recombinants, Their Blue egg shell gene is now Linked to that specific single comb, not any single comb just that one, so what this means is that while sire is single combed(p+/p+) one of those single comb gene has a blue egg shell gene attached to it and it wont go anywere else alone(wont segregate independently)
so this is what happened..
Dame Genetic Make up p+(o+)/P(O) where p+ is single comb and o+ is white egg shell..
Sire Genetic Make up p+(O)/p+(o+) sow what is the change of your Pullets inheriting both p+(o+)/p+(o+)
So What were the Chances of this happening to you?(chances of you not getting blue eggers even heterozygous ones) Only 25%, which is low but not improbable, if I were you I would do the same cross again, you would have 75% chance of getting blue eggers..
now to the Actuall Cross percentages
doing this cross will give you
25% chance of getting P(O)/p+(O) homozygous blue eggers (deep blue eggs)
25% chance of getting P(O)/p+(o+) heterozygous blue egger (light blue eggs)
25% chance of getting p+/(O)/p+(o+) heterozygous blue egger (light blue eggs)
25% chance of getting p+(o+)/p+(o+) white/pink colored eggs
Hope this helps
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Ok I will try to explain this..
Most Easter Eggers have only one Copy of the blue egg shell gene(Unless is a pure Ameraucana, which EEs are not) that single Copy of the blue egg shell gene is Linked the Pea Comb by 4 centimorgan, so its very very close, so what does this link thing means? it means that whererver the Pea comb genes goes, the blue egg shell gene will follow, and the single comb gene that is also pressent on the EE hen does not have a blue egg shell gene linked to it, so it means that wherever the single gene comb goes, it will go alone and will not have a blue egg shell gene.. so the Mother Had only one copy of the Pea comb gene and looks like she inherit her Offspring(your pink egg laying pullet) that lonly single comb gene.. so from Dame side she is NOT getting the blue egg shell gene
Now to the Sire side The Sire inherited Only 1 Copy of the blue egg shell gene from the Cream legbar(therfore his sisters layd blue colored eggs) But guess What? Remember how the blue egg shell gene is linked to the pea comb? well sometimes(about 3% chance) the blue egg shell will migrate to the single comb gene, Dr. Punnett got Chilean hens that had single comb and that also laid blue eggs, these hens were the foundation stock for the cream legbar, these hens were what is know in genetic terms, Recombinants, Their Blue egg shell gene is now Linked to that specific single comb, not any single comb just that one, so what this means is that while sire is single combed(p+/p+) one of those single comb gene has a blue egg shell gene attached to it and it wont go anywere else alone(wont segregate independently)
so this is what happened..
Dame Genetic Make up p+(o+)/P(O) where p+ is single comb and o+ is white egg shell..
Sire Genetic Make up p+(O)/p+(o+) sow what is the change of your Pullets inheriting both p+(o+)/p+(o+)
So What were the Chances of this happening to you?(chances of you not getting blue eggers even heterozygous ones) Only 25%, which is low but not improbable, if I were you I would do the same cross again, you would have 75% chance of getting blue eggers..
now to the Actuall Cross percentages
doing this cross will give you
25% chance of getting P(O)/p+(O) homozygous blue eggers (deep blue eggs)
25% chance of getting P(O)/p+(o+) heterozygous blue egger (light blue eggs)
25% chance of getting p+/(O)/p+(o+) heterozygous blue egger (light blue eggs)
25% chance of getting p+(o+)/p+(o+) white/pink colored eggs
Hope this helps
So i hatched some eggs from this hen. CL x Rhode Island white.
Seems pretty obvious that my muffed of English game bred her becaues these chicks have beards. Just like dad
But what about this guy. He would have to be from this hen above fertilized by my cl rooster. Or no
Seems pretty obvious that my muffed of English game bred her becaues these chicks have beards. Just like dad
But what about this guy. He would have to be from this hen above fertilized by my cl rooster. Or no
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Cream Legbar father x Buff-Laced Polish mother. Three nearly identical pullets of this cross hatched, discernible from each other only by location of the occasional black feather tip. While quite young they were a clean white. As they approached laying age, their color became "dirtier," still white but with a tan/almost gray cast, and with the odd black feather. I sold two and am hanging onto the third till I see what color egg she lays.
Sorry I just found this thread and it's taking awhile to read it. I love the photos above and the ones of the buff laced boys from the cross also. I think the reason the girls are solid white looking is that they're really silver laced (incomplete) with dominant white added, making them appear solid white. Pretty cool! I wondered how that type of cross would look (other than just seeing it on the chicken calculator). The male offspring are buff laced because they got one gold gene (from their mom) but the females are all silver due to the dad being silver. Thanks for the pictures! I don't even have either of those breeds but love seeing other people's pictures on this forum. Thanks!!
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