Cream Legbars

[Papa Brooder]

Question for owners of Crested Cream Legbars from GFF. Do you know what lines the red and yellow leg bands represent?

I think on the other thread early on there was a lot of talk about the different leg bands and what line they represented. But agreed, I would call them and ask.

 

[GaryDean26]

Yep, that is right they colors change from week to week and some people didn't get legbands at all.

I got GFF chicks in January of 2012 that were banded red, yellow, and lime green. After watching them grow and comparing them to the photos of the GFF cockerels and piecing all the other clues that I could gather from other breeders, I am pretty sure that my foundation hens we all from the first imported flock, my #1 cockerel that I breed this year was from the 2nd imported flock, and that the other cockerels I currently have from that hatch is from the 3rd imported line.

I can tell you which color those were if you are curious about the January 9, 2012 GFF hatch. Otherwise all bets are off.

 

[KPenley]

Thanks everybody! I was actually given the leg band colors by someone else, who's eggs I was inquiring about the parentage of. Thanks again!

 

[lonnyandrinda]

Got to watching my two little CL pullets tonight- and the one with the better coloring has a terrible wry tail....

 

[GaryDean26]

Does you wry tailed bird look like this?

http://www.chickenchatter.org/gallery/18/18_060015_160000000.jpg

 

[lonnyandrinda]

Not quite that bad maybe halfway between that and straight. But quite noticeable. I've heard it is very hereditary and not good for breeding stock, is that correct? Or since it's all I have to work from (out of 2!!!!!) can I hope for SOME straight tailed chicks from her?

 

[puglady]

Question for owners of Crested Cream Legbars from GFF. Do you know what lines the red and yellow leg bands represent?

I received some in August from them and they were not banded. I also received some last week and again they were unbanded. Perhaps they did this earlier. Last weeks shipment was very sad. They were shipped out right after the hurrincane and we were having a nor-easter. Shipping took a day longer than usual and they must have gotten cold. No faults of GFFs at all. Opening that box was not pretty

1/2 had passed. They're sending some replacements this week.

 

[lonnyandrinda]

OK ran out and took some photos- pretty bad, huh?

They are 12 weeks old today. She's looking pretty gold in the hackles, and has much nicer yellow to her legs. I knew my chances were slim to get a cream girl right off the bat but this one started feathering out light so I had hoped....





Here's her sister, MUCH darker (and I think just as gold) with light yellow legs, but with a shorter, straighter tail.



If these are my only choices which is better to breed from, or do I breed from both and CULL HEAVY? I don't even have a rooster yet (although I have things lined up), so it's a null point at the moment, but I would like to know for future reference...

 

[normanack]

Not quite that bad maybe halfway between that and straight.  But quite noticeable.  I've heard it is very hereditary and not good for breeding stock, is that correct?  Or since it's all I have to work from (out of 2!!!!!) can I hope for SOME straight tailed chicks from her?

Found this in the Poultry Matters forum:

There are a number of characteristics which the fancier considers as defects or deformities and which probably have a genetic basis. Such traits as wry tail, split tail, squirrel tail, drooping tail, split crest, split wing, slipped wing, and twisted feathers would fall into this category. The inherited bases of these conditions have not been reported, but most if not all are possibly recessively inherited. Somes (unpublished) made crosses between wry-tailed and normal tailed birds and all F1 progeny were normal-tailed.

Tail carriage varies considerably among chicken breeds and thus is an inherited trait with probably more than one locus being involved. Poultry breeding and genetics By R. D. Crawford

http://www.poultrymatters.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=379

It's followed by the picture Curtis posted.

 

[ChicKat]

Rinda, sorry about crooked tail. Maybe breed from both and cull heavily. In some of the things we are dealing with -- we don't know for certain yet what the genetic outcome will be until after the fact.

Nice post Normanack.

I had always thought that the F1 generation referred to hybrids. I did google out this and it was wikipedia awhile back that supported this. I have seen genetic discussion referring to the F generation as offspring of two purebreds.

My old understanding is that the F1 is a hybrid of two different breeds. So Horse + donkey = F1 mule; Brahama + Angus = F1 "Brangus". I think that I have heard of things like the F1 may be sterile as in the case of a Mule, I think, and that the generations don't 'breed true' as in the case of sex-links which are F1's. A back cross of parent to child is an F2 - although I have also heard that an F2 is an F1 bred to yet another breed. And that there is such a thing as a 'terminal' cross.

Adding to all this-- I have heard that in-breeding chckens will eventually result in sterility and decline. So if great granny had chickens and just let them run and interbreed, eventually the chickens would just stop producing/laying. (not meant by age, just the inbreeding through multiple generations)

Anyone here that could clear up the terminology for me. Thanks.

ETA - I found two directions and a correction to something that I had wrong above. What I had wrong was the F2 as a cross back to parent, the F2 is a cross of two F1s. According to the wikipedia, F1 is a hybrid of two different breeds. The parents are the P generation BTW.

Sooo I think it can be confusing to call the off spring of two cream legbars an F1 - because it would imply that a different breed is internixed.