Crop not clearing. Not sure what to do. Please help!

[BigBlueHen53]

Watching.

 

[Wyorp Rock]

She was given amoxyclav for the antibiotics.
I’m not sure what a fecal float is but they swabbed her poop and her crop from the inside and looked at it on a microscope I think.
From that she said that if it’s just a normal fungal infection it would just be a dot but because it’s gone further it’s growing stems and she thinks this is what is stopping her insides from working. She said baby pullets don’t normally pull through this but I want to give her her best chance so they will be giving her fluid injections some antibiotics and anti fungals so I’m hoping her little body can handle it!
I hope this post can somehow help someone in future

Oh, I see. Does the vet have a name for this condition/illness?
Something like Trichomoniasis or similar to that?

Poor little one, you are doing all you can for her.

 

[Fluffybutt11]

Unfortunately no she didn’t specify a name or anything. I rung them before and said they’ve emptied her crop as much as they could but it’s still not emptying on its own. They have given her antibiotic and fungal shots but they’re not going to feed her overnight which I’m a little worried about because she’s so thin already.
The vet suggested blood tests also but she looked upset and didn’t suggest it at the end of the consult so I don’t think they have much hope for her I will let you know if I have anything else to update you with

 

[orelsi]

Poor little thing. Sorry you have to go through this. I hope she makes it.

Would appreciate it if you ask the vet the name of whatever it is that she has. This will be useful for many others in the future.

 

[Fluffybutt11]

Thank you very much!

I just got an update from the vet. He said it’s called thrush and it’s through her system. It would be secondary to whatever is going on to stop the food emptying from her crop. Which we have no idea if or what it is.
They said she is a little perkier today but will still be monitored with the injections.
Hopefully we can pick her up tomorrow if nothing changes

 

[Brahmas Beauty Homestead]

I’ve been monitoring her and it looks like a he just aspirated some vomit and I don’t know what to do. Will she be okay

I just started typing the tried and true way to clear this and don’t know if what I started came to you but dang it’s quite long. Go on Facebook and look me up and send a pm I have a pre written directions to cure this my farm is Brahma’s & Beauty Homestead. I think I read you had trouble finding the miconazole cream all pharmacy carrry it. This is about to kick me out I think . Get that at plain greek yogurt. Take her off her feed it is making the yeast grow. See if you can find my page message me. I’m having trouble here to type

 

[Brahmas Beauty Homestead]

I just started typing the tried and true way to clear this and don’t know if what I started came to you but dang it’s quite long. Go on Facebook and look me up and send a pm I have a pre written directions to cure this my farm is Brahma’s & Beauty Homestead. I think I read you had trouble finding the miconazole cream all pharmacy carrry it. This is about to kick me out I think . Get that at plain greek yogurt. Take her off her feed it is making the yeast grow. See if you can find my page message me. I’m having trouble here to type

I’ve been monitoring her and it looks like a he just aspirated some vomit and I don’t know what to do. Will she be okay

Cure For Sour Crop

This regime for a crop problem is designed for SOUR CROP but I use the same steps for sour crop and IMPACTED CROP except for an impacted crop I do not give the medication but follow the rest of these steps. Miconazole is the medication used by women vaginally for a yeast infection. You will see me refer to it later on in the instructions. The medication is given by mouth to the chicken.



How to verify you have an impacted crop or sour crop.

You first might see them have symptoms such as laying down a lot, pale comb, a huge crop protruding out, lethargic , green poop , not eating or eating to much , loosing weight, adjusting their crop constantly and overall sickly acting. You will first want to pick them up and feel their crop which if you’re standing over the top of your bird it would be to the right side just below their neck. So over to the side and above or in front of the breast. This area first thing in the morning prior to food and water should be completely empty. If it’s not then trouble is highly likely. If to many days have past and you don’t notice your birds lethargic looking or see she is just not herself early enough then there is no time to waist therefore you don’t have time to wait overnight to see if the crop empties. You should pick up a healthy chicken and feel their crop for comparison if you’re unsure how a full crop will feel that’s not Impacted. A full crop not impacted will be loose and you could feel the grain and if you lift up on the food mass and push softly in like pulling the bulge or substance up and in this helps empty the crop . If it does not get smaller it’s a sign of trouble . Don’t mistaken the Contents just spreading out making it seam like it got smaller as that’s not truly emptying into the gizzard . So an impacted crop will feel like a hard mass or it will feel like you’re kneading clay or dough as it will be thick like a clay feeling and or a water filled balloon. These are signs of impact or sour crop . Sometimes you can smell the breath and smell a sour yeasty smell. So now that you know how to determine if the crop is in trouble let’s move on to the next step.



HOW TO CURE IMPACTED OR SOUR CROP!

First thing is to bring her inside and put her in a wire crate with towels or cut up t shirts or puppy pad on the floor of your crate . You can also put something in the bathtub and shut the shower curtain to make her feel safe. It’s very important that if you have children that they do not scream and yell while any chicken is in the ICU in your house this makes them nervous and they will not relax allowing for natural contractions to occur and can be the difference of life and death. You will provide water and adding a little garlic is ok but not necessary and I’m speaking of fresh garlic like a clove per quart but having probiotics and electrolytes is great. Do NOT give her your normal feed. This will prolong the curing as the yeast love the feed as it’s feeding it making it worse . So no feed. You will however give her plain Greek yogurt it must be Greek but do not start giving to her until she has been off her feed for close to 24 hours. This is where your instincts need to come In and you determine if she has 24 hours to wait on food or if she is super frail and about to starve to death then she /he needs to be fed something sooner. Use your judgement. So feed her the plain Greek yogurt by syringe giving her about 2-3 syringes of the 3cc syringe about 3-5 times a day . This is a least amount she should have if you have to force feed her she needs at least this amount. She however can have as much as she wants of the plain Greek yogurt you don’t have to limit her to the 3-5 cc that is just a must have amount. You will give the miconazole medication give her about 1/4 -1/2 inch of the medication. I’m saying 1/4 inch to 1/2 inch if you put it in the application tube that the medication comes with if just straight out the tube the medication is in without the application part it can be a little bit more. You can not give to much at judging so no worries if your not exact and I like to wait approximately 1-2 hours after a feeding in the morning, noon and night to give the medication so it’s possible to be in the crop by itself. Make sure you get her to eat it all. I find it easy using the application tube because when you push it up you can put the tip of it under her top beak and it acts like a little holder or tiny cup to let her get it from . Keep scraping off her beak and put back into her mouth if necessary. If you have to hold her beak open and scrape it in do it she must get the medicine. I find they actually eat it no problem almost like it’s good . Idk You might also crush up about 1/4 of a tums and crush it to a powder and mix it with one of the syringes of plain Greek yogurt this will help the contractions to assist with moving the contents but this would be more beneficial if it’s a impacted crop not so much sour crop . Sour crop we have to treat the yeast infection first . So after you feed and medicate and have her inside keep her in a dim lit room quiet and not to hot or cold . When you greet her every time and hold her a little first massage the mass pushing toward the opening you want the crop contents to move toward the gizzard this is for impacted only not sour crop we will later do this for sour crop after a few days of treatment and or if it looks to be a pendulum where it sits to low that it will not go back up and into the canal the contents needs to go in. Refer to a diagram so you can see what I’m referring to. So repeat these steps for the first day. The next day you should feel some improvement and the crop should feel smaller before giving her any food. So if it’s smaller then you’re doing good it’s all working. Continue with the Greek yogurt and the medicine should be given twice a day. Day 2 if the crop still feels smaller or showing signs of emptying then add a little scrambled egg to the yogurt and see if she continues to empty her crop . You will check her a couple hours after feeding to see if her crop has gone down . If so then day 3 continue with the medication and now you can add a tiny bit of oatmeal to the scrambled egg , yogurt mix and see how she does . By now at the end of day 3 or beginning of day 4 she should be back to normal and her crop emptying on it own and she is perky and feeling better. You can introduce a little of her feed day 4 and see how she does throughout the day. If it is all good turn her back into the flock. In a couple days check her to make sure her feed did not make some yeast we missed grow agin as it should not but do check. So you will give the medication 2 times a day for 3 days. If at any point of the days it’s time to move to adding scrambled egg or oatmeal but her crop is not yet emptying on its own at all then continue with day one feeding the Greek yogurt only until it is emptying on its own that you move to the next days steps. It’s an introduction of the foods so you can see if the crop goes to emptying all the while of feeding her . You might see green runny or hard poop that will disappear once she gets nutrients back into her system. Day 3 change her water to mix in some Red cell or poultry cell to help boost her vitamins and give her a pick me up . If this regime is followed you will be back on Track with a healthy and happy chicken .



Day 1. 1/4 to 1/2 inch miconazole by

Mouth 2 x day

3cc syringe x2 or 3 of plain

Greek Yogurt or until no

Longer will take any

Electrolytes in water

Kept in quiet dim room

Day 2. Miconazole 1/4 to 1/2 inch

By Mouth 2 x day

3cc syringe x 2 or 3 or until

Full mixed in with egg in

Shallow dish

Add little bit of scrambled

Egg to the yogurt in a dish

Like a peanut butter lid

Electrolyte water

Kept in quiet dim lit room

Day 3. Miconazole 1/4 to 1/2 inch

2x Day by mouth

Plain Greek Yogurt with

The scrambled egg but

Now add dry oatmeal to it

Red Cell or Poultry Cell

Added to the water

Day 4. No medication if the crop

Feels normal

Add regular feed to the

Yogurt , Egg mix ( no oat

Meal needed with the

Feed)

Red Cell or Poultry Cell in

The water if all tolerated

And crop is working

Correctly . Return to flock

Check her every 2 days for about a week .

 

[Brahmas Beauty Homestead]

I’ve been monitoring her and it looks like a he just aspirated some vomit and I don’t know what to do. Will she be okay

I figured it out. It’s long to read don’t let it overwhelm you there is how to identify it first but then detail steps then day by day to narrow it down . Dont go off the steps . Immediately take her food away . Hope this helps and it’s not too late. There has not been any chicken not recover that I have shared this with. The medication can be found in any cvs , Walgreens, Walmart, Kroger’s, HEB, all those kind of stores

 

[Wyorp Rock]

Thank you very much!

I just got an update from the vet. He said it’s called thrush and it’s through her system. It would be secondary to whatever is going on to stop the food emptying from her crop. Which we have no idea if or what it is.
They said she is a little perkier today but will still be monitored with the injections.
Hopefully we can pick her up tomorrow if nothing changes

Glad the vet is treating her and she's doing better.

Thrush is caused by Candida, so I'm sure the Vet will treat her with an anti-fungal/yeast medication. Probably Nystatin, but there's other medications that they may determine will be more effective.
Candidiasis is what we common call ""Sour Crop"", so you were already on the right track it seems in the beginning of this thread looking for Miconazole or Clotrimazole. I use Clotrimazole, but with you being in Australia, sometimes medications can be a bit harder to source.

The article I gave you and that was discussed on the previous 5 pages. Clearly states the use of anti-fungal medications that can be used to treat Sour Crop (yeast/fungal infection). If doing it at home, they are given 2X a day for a full 7 days even if the bird seems to be better, stopping to early, you risk the yeast coming back in full force.

I would definitely ask the vet to run a fecal float (this is a common test) to see if Coccidiosis and/or worms are part of the problem.
Very often a crop problem is caused by another underlying condition.

Here's some additional reading about Candida.
https://www.merckvetmanual.com/poul...istic infection,may be effective in treatment.
https://poultrydvm.com/condition/candidiasis

 

[Fluffybutt11]

Thank you so much for this. I will take it into consideration for other chookies. We got miss Zoomy back today from the vet. Her thrush is cleared but her crop isn’t getting any better. They said she has crop stasis and they think it has something to do with the duodenal part of her body. We will keep trying with her but she is still vomiting with her limited food and water. Her crop is so big. I hope she hangs in there but I’m not liking the crop stasis. Not many poops today and vet said that if happens to take her back to them. We will keep monitoring her.