Cubalaya Thread For Sharing Pics and Discussing Our Birds

[cubalaya]

nice looking bird but already saw him on another site

 

[saladin]

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Yeah, I thought I'd put him up on this one too since there are folks that don't visit both. I need to get that red out of the shoulders!

 

[adubsroit]

New to the breed here!! I don't know a TON about the birds but I'm a fast learner. My boyfriend and I are in the beginning process of inheriting a friend's flock (9-10 birds, of 5 blood lines). One question, and I saw that it has been addressed on this thread before, but why are the BBR Cubalayas called BBR when they look Wheaten?? Is this one of those understood among breeders, because the females of the BBR variety look nothing like BBR's of any variety I have seen - maybe more like a Cinnamon or dark Wheaten??

One last question

What is the difference between a Wheaten and Gold Wheaten?? I'm sort of a stickler for the genetic name of things, as I am trying to teach myself the genetics of things (not hobby/breeder names). Gold Wheaten just looks like a lighter Wheaten/BBR to me.

Thanks

 

[gallorojo]

In the Standard of Perfection, many wheaten genetic birds are called Black Breasted Reds. I don't know why, but, that's how it is. The Cubalayas are genetically wheaten, should be a dark, cinnamon wheaten-not a light, pale wheaten.
There is genetically no such thing as "gold" wheaten female. The females are either S-silver, and silver wheaten, or s-gold/wildtype, and regular cinnamon wheaten. The males can be ss-gold/wildtype, which is BB Reds, SS- which is silver, giving you a silver wheaten, aka silver duckwing, or, the males can be split-S/s-which gives you a mix, and makes a golden duckwing/wheaten male.
You can have various other color genetics at work, which can give you gold in the female hackles, that certainly can happen, but, it is not a gold wheaten in the same way as a gold duckwing male is S/s. I have not figured out how to explain the gold necked females yet, but it can't be S/s.

 

[adubsroit]

Well it makes sense, as wheaten is one of the 5 base colors. Even real Delawares should be wheaten based, which is weird to me still.

As for the males of this breed being spur-less, is this true?? I assume they have some semblance of a spur, maybe just minuscule in comparison to say that of the Sumatrans possible 7??

 

[saladin]

I've not seen any that were spurless; though I have read that.

They typically have a blunt square-ish spur. The multiple spurred birds will have anywhere from 3 to 7 spurs: again, blunt and square-ish.

Some birds have the more typical spur of a Game (pointed and curved); others have the spur of an Oriental (pointed and straight).

 

[cubalaya]

no, they have spurs; either single or multiple. i am still trying to understand the gold wheaton coloration. i didn't see the last post.

 

[saladin]

I think y'all might be trying to understand something that is near to impossible. lol. Let me give an example.

The Standard says nothing about hackle stripping in the female; yet, every female I've ever seen has some black stripping in the hackle. I asked several folks about this (Sam, Craig, Linda, Dave) and got the same answer from them all:

'Yes, in our lifetime we have seen one or two females without the black stripping in the hackle. Yes it is true the Standard doesn't mention it. You can spend your time trying to breed it out if you want too, but it isn't going to happen. So, why waste your time on the impossible?'

 

[adubsroit]

Black stripping makes some sense, as it could just be an expression of a Columbian gene?? For instance, Buff birds are a wheaten based bird, but true Buffs also carry Co/Columbian. Not sure how expression works, but it shouldn't be seen, but is needed as a sort of building block.

In this same instance, I have heard that Wheaten can be bred into Buff to clean it up (as it dilutes/hides/minimizes black). Wheaten birds often have black tails, but not always, like Buffs (which most shouldn't according to the SOP, but some do). I am not certain what gene is needed to clear up black in hackles/neck or tail, but Wheaten genes are obvious contenders for "why." I don't know much about Cubalays, but Gold Wheaten sounds like it could just be a bird that is expressing Gold () or Buff in the place of Red/Mahogany (Mh/mh, Mh, Mh)

Here are some sites that might be fun to surf:
http://www.edelras.nl/chickengenetics/mutations1.html#gen_mut_pheomelanin
http://www.edelras.nl/chickengenetics/mutations3.html
http://www.edelras.nl/chickengenetics/genotypes.html

Pages from the people who brought you the Chicken Calculator:
http://sellers.kippenjungle.nl/page3.html
http://sellers.kippenjungle.nl/page2.html

 

[Cuban Longtails]

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Which 5 bloodlines were used?