Cubalaya Thread For Sharing Pics and Discussing Our Birds

[gallorojo]

I need to look at that tail!!!

 

[saladin]

Go look now are make a report.

 

[gallorojo]

Even blend of white, black and brown/red. All 3 colors in one tail. At least for now...

 

[wood&feathers]

OK we kicked off this thread with a great discussion of the advantages of Cubalayas for homesteading. Given the importance of keeping a clean run, I am starting to think I am seeing something - feel free to tell me I am "full of it"...

Are Cubalaya poops more compact and small per pound of bird? I have a small Easter Egger hen who is the same size as the Cuba pullets I bought from a certain Virginia gentleman. Her poop is 2x as big as the cubas, and 8x more smelly. My production reds aren't much bigger. But the POOP! My old layer flock all have huge smelly poo. But these cubalayas poo is much smaller and more like that of a wild turkey - dry and not very smelly. Would their feed efficiency be reflected in waste output?

I guess it could make sense. Cornish x's are at the other end of the scale - a highly hybridized result of selective breeding for fattening. The cubalayas, being derived from games, may have a more "wild" digestive tract?

Any ideas or am I hallucinating in the compost pile??

 

[saladin]

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In that case, I've not a clue. I think you are just going to have to wait until that ugly chicken is mature! lol.

I'm getting old: ain't this one of your from the white to white? If so, who's white did you start with? Glenn's?

 

[gallorojo]

wood&feathers :

OK we kicked off this thread with a great discussion of the advantages of Cubalayas for homesteading. Given the importance of keeping a clean run, I am starting to think I am seeing something - feel free to tell me I am "full of it"...

Are Cubalaya poops more compact and small per pound of bird? I have a small Easter Egger hen who is the same size as the Cuba pullets I bought from a certain Virginia gentleman. Her poop is 2x as big as the cubas, and 8x more smelly. My production reds aren't much bigger. But the POOP! My old layer flock all have huge smelly poo. But these cubalayas poo is much smaller and more like that of a wild turkey - dry and not very smelly. Would their feed efficiency be reflected in waste output?

I guess it could make sense. Cornish x's are at the other end of the scale - a highly hybridized result of selective breeding for fattening. The cubalayas, being derived from games, may have a more "wild" digestive tract?

Any ideas or am I hallucinating in the compost pile??

I can't really speak for their feed efficiency, I'd guess it's actually not all that good. A cornish cross has great feed efficiency, the way I see it, it's simple,- more goes in, more comes out!!!

I do see my cubas have smaller waste than the larger breeds I have, but, I always figured it was just size. As in, smaller body, = smaller dump. They also are more active foragers, they eat more fibrous foods, which produces a healthier, firmer pellet in my experience. I do see your point, they are a "cleaner" breed if you will than the larger ones, sure.​

 

[gallorojo]

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In that case, I've not a clue. I think you are just going to have to wait until that ugly chicken is mature! lol.

I'm getting old: ain't this one of your from the white to white? If so, who's white did you start with? Glenn's?

Saladin, yes, from a white x white mating. I bought a White cockerel from Jim Zook this spring. Then, I traded Cubalaya aka Waterfront Farms a GDW cockerel for one of his white pullets. This pullet was out of Glenn Drowns stock, but, it was not from white parents, a "sport" white out of non white parents. I then was also able to get 2 white pullets from Zook as well. The 3 white pullets and 1 cockerel made up the white breeding pen this spring. ( I'd prefer to not breed pullets, but, I had so few whites that I did it anyway) . Most of the chicks have turned out pure white, 75% or better. The balance-25%- are a mix of splotchy white, brown red or black, and pyle? I did change up the breeding pens at the end, and put the white boy with my old silver hen, and the one white pullet with my old BB Red cock. Those chicks are just feathering out now, but 1 or 2 look to be pyle, to be expected in the white x wheaten mating.

 

[saladin]

Ok, this explains everything .....I think.

A white sport from colored parents is going to be either recessive white or that incomplete dominate white that nic and tim were talking about.

The other whites would have been made. They could be from bleached Pyles or even from another breed.

Thus, your outcome will produce the 25% off-colors. Now I'm beginning to see more clearly.

 

[cubalaya]

gallo, the hen that you got from me was a sport from a brown red cock and a white hen with black flecks. the white hen with black flecks came from my red pyles. all the chicks from this cross has produced pure white except one. she looks just like her mother; white with black flecks. all my red pyles came from sandhill originally and varied greatly in color. the males were what you expect a red pyle to look like except a few black feathers while the females could be cinnamon pyle (sport wheaton) to all white with some brassiness. if you have to cull a few to get their size up and color right then so be it. the gdw cock that i got from you is fertile as i have hatched some eggs (still hatching as i type) from him and a white hen and a gold wheaton hen. i have some chicks that look dark with silver running through them and some yellowish ones with some dark feathering on their head. is this what gdw looks like in chicks?

 

[saladin]

Glenn rec'd his Red Pyles from Craig originally. Craig made the Pyles using what he believed was/is recessive white. Tim says that can't be done. Perhaps it was incomplete dominate white. I don't know. It has always been called Recessive White by the Cubalaya fellows, but it's possible that is technically wrong. However, it 'acts' recessive when used with Cubalaya Wheaten which is also said to be 'recessive.'

All I know is if I take one of my White Cubalayas and one of the Wheatens, I can produce Red Pyles but it takes at least 2 generations and most of the time 3 generations to do.

A regular BBR and White (in Games) can produce Red Pyle in 1 generation.

There is a difference somewhere. Observation demands it.