The guy has a lot of breeds and was not very clear on where these came from. First he told me they came from California, then he said he got some from Oklahoma and 'somewhere else'. He says he bought them from breeders when he was living in Ohio and showing other breeds. He said that they are not hatchery stock, but he did not know any of the breeders names. made me a little suspisous. They are on the small side, the biggest cock is just under 5 pounds and the pullets/hens are 2 1/4 to 3. He told me that one of the trios is 1 year old and the other trio is 2, so with some care and conditioning, they may put on some size. He had such a low price on them that I could use the pullets/hens as broodies, or even just yard birds and not lose much. I thought they had decent type, but I don't really know what I'm looking at yet, that's why I was asking for your opinions. They looked to me to have wide, O.K. heads, low tail sets, and a good cushion on the pullets, so I figured they had some decent breeding behind them. Thanks for yur comments, I appreciate them. ..........stan