Cubalaya Thread For Sharing Pics and Discussing Our Birds

[troyer]

https://www.backyardchickens.com/content/type/61/id/6942806/

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I like that color name" fireworks"

By far not a color expert but they look like some kind of BBR with Spangling.

They are E^R/e+. The base color is Birchen in red golden and carrying wheaten, spangled and in some instances recessive white genes.

 

[draye]

   They are E^R/e+. The base color is Birchen in red golden and carrying wheaten, spangled and in some instances recessive white genes.

Thanks. Like I said not really good at the genetics thing. I'm slowly trying to learn some of this stuff.

Some of these colors to my eye look so close to each other.

 

[ccassidy18]

It gets easier as your knowledge builds. I had a hard time too...but now I can pretty well guess what the outcome will be...unless it is to make a sex link and it isn't one of the more common four sex links...

 

[cubalaya]

I'm not quite sure what this color is, in simple genetics he is a golden wheaten with some other gentic colors mixed in. I am beginning to think I might be dealing with a Cream gene, not sure though. His mother is a silver wheaten with a duckwing gene and his father was a golden birchen with a wheaten/cream gene. There are a lot of genetics going on with him and I don't quite understand all of it yet.






You will be hard pressed to find a 2 year old, 7+ lbs tame white cock that matches the standard. I have 2 year old white cocks, but they are not 7 lbs, I don't have any white cocks for sale. Zook has no white largefowl Cubalaya, I got all that he had.
My whites seem tame until you try to catch them and then they seem a bit crazy-ish. I will be selecting against that as time goes on and I have a bigger selection to choose from.

All the Fireworks generations are like that, I know for sure that there is a lethal gene in there somewhere. Last year (2014 breeding season) I did a father to daughter mating and out of 30 chicks hatched, only two made it to adulthood. One hardly resmbled a Cubalaya and the other one was exceptional in all ways. I bred from him this summer and have 8 offspring from him. Shortly after the breeding season he got sickly and in spite off medications given to him he kept going backwards. When it was clear to me that he would not recover I put him down. I then opened him up to see what was wrong inside and dicovered that he had a hard lump the size of a baseball attached to his gizzard. I did not open up the lump, but just disposed of it. He would not have recovered from it.
I am going in a bit of a different direction with them next spring to see if I can get rid of the lethal gene, I know that my main fireworks colored cock is a carrier of the lethal gene, I need to be very careful of how I breed him, so as to not keep preserving the lethal gene into my chickens. Obviously the daughter I bred him to, is also a carrier of the gene. It seems to be semi dominant which means that if only one parent carries it it doesn't visibly show up in the offspring, but if both parents are carriers the offspring will have a low survival rate. I don't have definate breeding plan with those yet, but it will all come together when breeding season comes around. The plan is to get some good offspring and then discontinue breeding from the main fireworks colored cock to get away from that lethal gene as quickly as possible. I do have a cock that carries one fireworks gene and does not carry the lethal gene. I hope to use him to get back to the Fireworks color in a few generations.

It is genetic makeup, they carry a lethal short legged (creeper) gene.

thanks for your honesty, jat. if someone has one as described, pm me and name your price

 

[ccassidy18]

I think that what you might be able to do is breed your lethal carrier to a non carrier,then breed the offspring back to the non carrying parent...the resulting offspring shouldn't carry the lethal gene...

 

[troyer]

I think that what you might be able to do is breed your lethal carrier to a non carrier,then breed the offspring back to the non carrying parent...the resulting offspring shouldn't carry the lethal gene...

It seems to work the same as recessive white. Theoretically a carrier will pass the gene to 50% of his offspring. About the only way to make sure they don't have it is to breed them to a known carrier and nothing shows up. I bred a carrier hen to two different cocks this year and none of the offspring show the lethal gene. I had excellent hatches from both. There is the possibility of all of or none of them being carriers, so I just tend to see them as carriers and will breed them accordingly. As you mentioned, I hope as I continue breeding away from it, it will eventually dissappear altogether by not breeding two potential carriers together. My main broodcock is a carrier and none of his parents showed any indication of being carriers. Physically speaking he does not show it either, it just shows up in breeding.

 

[troyer]

Some whites from this summer.

 

[ccassidy18]

Those are really pretty. Did you have a mother hen hatch them,or use an incubator?

 

[troyer]

Those are really pretty. Did you have a mother hen hatch them,or use an incubator?

Mother hen.

 

[ccassidy18]

Okay,I wasn't sure if the cock and hen labeled were the parents or not...just out of curiosity, did you use white birds in your crossing to get your fireworks color?