Do mature muscovy drakes always look this gross?

[Raenh]

I dunno, but I gotta chime in because Fancy was 15 lbs of pure beautiful drake mostly white and blue/black feathers that he kept well oiled and in amazing shape - so much so that I was stressing speedys poor feathers. And he didn't smell at all, unless he sat in his poo.

 

[Loopeend]

Sure but this still does not make them native to the Netherlands, they don't naturally live there, they were introduced.


This is what I am talking about with their name, your country did not come up with the name, you can call the musk ducks but that does not mean the species was named after 'musk.'

No, they were introduced in 1514 by the Spanish. Since then they lived here, spread untill Africa and Asia. They have became native to our country. After enough setteling that happens. Unless you think we should just send everyone back that didn't come from the USA that has been living over their for generations is fair? Where I live everyone born here is native. These ducks feel native over here for 500 years...
And my country came up with that name. Since it is OUR name for it...like every country has a different name for this duck...we litterally called it this because the males smelled like musk... you are not in a place to tell me that is not true. Who do you suggest then that the DUTCH word for muscovy duck came up with? You are aware that every country often has a different name for the same species in their own language?

"Cairina betekent inwoner van Caïro in de overtuiging dat de vogel uit Egypte kwam. Moschata betekent muskus omdat de woerd naar muskus ruikt."

 

[Loopeend]

I dunno, but I gotta chime in because Fancy was 15 lbs of pure beautiful drake mostly white and blue/black feathers that he kept well oiled and in amazing shape - so much so that I was stressing speedys poor feathers. And he didn't smell at all, unless he sat in his poo.

The smell of musk is not-describle. Some describe it even as the smell of baby's
With how they smell I don't mean smelly. The odor. The scent.

 

[Miss Lydia]

https://www.beautyofbirds.com/muscovyduck.html

 

[Kessel23]

No, they were introduced in 1514 by the Spanish. Since then they lived here, spread untill Africa and Asia. They have became native to our country. After enough setteling that happens. Unless you think we should just send everyone back that didn't come from the USA that has been living over their for generations is fair? Where I live everyone born here is native. These ducks feel native over here for 500 years...
And my country came up with that name. Since it is OUR name for it...like every country has a different name for this duck...we litterally called it this because the males smelled like musk... you are not in a place to tell me that is not true. Who do you suggest then that the DUTCH word for muscovy duck came up with? You are aware that every country often has a different name for the same species in their own language?

"Cairina betekent inwoner van Caïro in de overtuiging dat de vogel uit Egypte kwam. Moschata betekent muskus omdat de woerd naar muskus ruikt."

This still does not make them native to the Netherlands. Their native range is where they originally came from. A species that was brought to a new area by humans is not native to that area even if it was 500 years ago. Not sure where you are getting the idea that I want you to send all the ducks back. By the way, musk is not even a dutch word, muscovy is not dutch either. Muscovy is a Russian word but the two are unrelated and musk is an English word. Yes I am aware that different countries have different names for things, made that clear in my other responses.
No, a quote from Wikipedia is not going to change anything I an thinking right now...

Here are my final thoughts, we have gotten a little off topic here so I'm done, the OP has their answer, no Muscovy drakes do not usually smell or look that gross.

 

[Miss Lydia]

Well I am thankful for at least the Netherlands doesn’t kill them just because they are there. Like they do here in the USA. I have heard some awful things that happen to these poor birds that I love so much

 

[Loopeend]

Well I am thankful for at least the Netherlands doesn’t kill them just because they are there. Like they do here in the USA. I have heard some awful things that happen to these poor birds that I love so much

Well; if they were newer we did. We have a fight with some crabs, lobsters, frogs and hornets that kill the population that lives here.

Since they are 500 years here now already; that was waaaaaay before the time that we understood that animals from another place can mean a threat to local animals. And they already find their own place. Not being a threat to anyone anymore. They probably shook the whole eco-system up a bit in the beginning since they are more easy prey; hence more foxes, but that evened out in the end. We also have a big native population from tropical parakeets, that originally came here as pets, that are now recognized as native. Since they do no harm to the eco-system and succeed to live in the eco-system. The recognition of 'native' is to not unnecairly kill them. Before giving the stamp 'native' (they belong here) a lot of research is done. Like that they are so customed to this climate for generations that they could not survive anymore in the climate they originally came from.



I'm curious now what said awful things are in the USA?

 

[Kessel23]

I'm curious now what said awful things are in the USA?

The feral Muscovies in the US do not receive protection from the Migratory Bird Treaty act so they can be harvested without a bag limit or licence required. They are pretty much treated like any other invasive species here, they receive no protection and hunting is promoted.

 

[Loopeend]

The feral Muscovies in the US do not receive protection from the Migratory Bird Treaty act so they can be harvested without a bag limit or licence required. They are pretty much treated like any other invasive species here, they receive no protection and hunting is promoted.

Whelp. That's weird. That's like the part of the world they come from originally. And we are here throwing all kind of official citizinsships to muscovies ducks. Haha.

are they a threat? Can you be more eleborate? I mean we shoot some animals off here when they become with too many, or are with so many that they will starve to death in the winter (and then people have mayor protest and such, and in all honestly it gets ridiclous. A bit of animal love vs knowledge war. Neither (extreme and loudest screamers) sides understand each other. Resulting in people throwing tons of bread in nature reserves to prevent them to shoot starving animals but bread is really bad for the animals sigh.....) but for the rest; we don't have nature. That is one nature reserver which is probably not bigger then the average USA village.
I can immagine when you have much nature; it can do less harm? I mean.. we know the 15 wild horses that live here allmost by name... (there are more then 15, just making a point that there is no real nature here and I don't know how to interpret hunting and such in other countries).

 

[Raenh]

Hunt my babies, and I'll rake you over very hot coals.
Violent aggression aside...
There is a county in texas that protects them because they are considered migratory here. Considering I'm still new to the owning of ducks, I get the hunting of animals for population control, but I think if you're not hunting it for your sole need of food, dont. I kinda wish at times we could go back to simpler times. But then we wouldn't have the internet so it's kinda catch 22 to wish for it.