We trap and relocate one of our more ubiquitous predators, the common snapping turtle. Just don't see the sense in killing them other than for food, and don't see the problems that others are describing.
Do not Relocate predators!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Good. Then you realize that these animals are not going to suffer good deaths whether you relocate them or not. Therefore, you can't really use the risk of a bad death to justify not moving them.
^^^ I agree with absolutely everything that you have said on this thread. I personally, dont understand why this thread is still going. No one is going to change their ways no matter if the other is talking til theyre blue in the face. I just dont see why to go around bragging about the killing of a predator. If youd rather put a bullet in the animal for doing what only comes naturally to it, then that is your choice. If you choose to capture & relocate, that is also your choice. From my understanding, Predators & Pets is not section in which a debate belongs. I always thought it was just more of an edjucational thing about how to PREVENT predators.. I may be wrong, but that is my opinion... I feel that you wouldnt have as much of an issue with predators if youve gone to great lengths to protect your animals from them. If the enclosure is built strong enough, or every measure of safety is taken - there would be no way a coon, or a possum,etc could get to the chickens. I do, however, understand that sometimes accidents happen..
Good. Then you realize that these animals are not going to suffer good deaths whether you relocate them or not. Therefore, you can't really use the risk of a bad death to justify not moving them.
My point is that being relocated to a strange place with no knowledge of the lay of the land where they were just dumped, puts them at even more of a disadvantage for survival. Is this(survival) not the intent for people who "re-home"?
Remember, shooting that animal removes ALL chance of survival. A decreased chance is still a chance.
Please also note -- I'm not particularly in favor of relocation myself, in part because of the issue of disease spread. But the risk of death wouldn't sway me one way or the other, since a small chance at life is more than no chance.
Remember, shooting that animal removes ALL chance of survival. A decreased chance is still a chance.
Please also note -- I'm not particularly in favor of relocation myself, in part because of the issue of disease spread. But the risk of death wouldn't sway me one way or the other, since a small chance at life is more than no chance.
^^^ I agree with absolutely everything that you have said on this thread. I personally, dont understand why this thread is still going. No one is going to change their ways no matter if the other is talking til theyre blue in the face. I just dont see why to go around bragging about the killing of a predator. If youd rather put a bullet in the animal for doing what only comes naturally to it, then that is your choice. If you choose to capture & relocate, that is also your choice. From my understanding, Predators & Pets is not section in which a debate belongs. I always thought it was just more of an edjucational thing about how to PREVENT predators.. I may be wrong, but that is my opinion... I feel that you wouldnt have as much of an issue with predators if youve gone to great lengths to protect your animals from them. If the enclosure is built strong enough, or every measure of safety is taken - there would be no way a coon, or a possum,etc could get to the chickens. I do, however, understand that sometimes accidents happen..
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Remember, shooting that animal removes ALL chance of survival. A decreased chance is still a chance.
Shooting it does remove the chance of suffering a slow painful death in a strange place, and it doesn't cause the spread of disease like relocating does. And shooting isn't illegal in most places the way relocating is.
Remember, shooting that animal removes ALL chance of survival. A decreased chance is still a chance.
Shooting it does remove the chance of suffering a slow painful death in a strange place, and it doesn't cause the spread of disease like relocating does. And shooting isn't illegal in most places the way relocating is.
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Hmmmm....somehow I don't see a certain immediate death as an improvement over a possible delayed death.
Hmmmm....somehow I don't see a certain immediate death as an improvement over a possible delayed death.
and it doesn't cause the spread of disease like relocating does. And shooting isn't illegal in most places the way relocating is.
Right. There are reasonable arguments against relocation. I just don't think that risk of death is one of them.
Right. There are reasonable arguments against relocation. I just don't think that risk of death is one of them.
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Good. Then you realize that these animals are not going to suffer good deaths whether you relocate them or not. Therefore, you can't really use the risk of a bad death to justify not moving them.
^^^ I agree with absolutely everything that you have said on this thread. I personally, dont understand why this thread is still going. No one is going to change their ways no matter if the other is talking til theyre blue in the face. I just dont see why to go around bragging about the killing of a predator. If youd rather put a bullet in the animal for doing what only comes naturally to it, then that is your choice. If you choose to capture & relocate, that is also your choice. From my understanding, Predators & Pets is not section in which a debate belongs. I always thought it was just more of an edjucational thing about how to PREVENT predators.. I may be wrong, but that is my opinion... I feel that you wouldnt have as much of an issue with predators if youve gone to great lengths to protect your animals from them. If the enclosure is built strong enough, or every measure of safety is taken - there would be no way a coon, or a possum,etc could get to the chickens. I do, however, understand that sometimes accidents happen..
that's who I was referring to...
...with all respect mrszlopez, if the predators and pests section bothers you, I'd suggest you avoid it. It is NOT just a PREVENTION section.
Good. Then you realize that these animals are not going to suffer good deaths whether you relocate them or not. Therefore, you can't really use the risk of a bad death to justify not moving them.
My point is that being relocated to a strange place with no knowledge of the lay of the land where they were just dumped, puts them at even more of a disadvantage for survival. Is this(survival) not the intent for people who "re-home"?
Remember, shooting that animal removes ALL chance of survival. A decreased chance is still a chance.
Please also note -- I'm not particularly in favor of relocation myself, in part because of the issue of disease spread. But the risk of death wouldn't sway me one way or the other, since a small chance at life is more than no chance.
Remember, shooting that animal removes ALL chance of survival. A decreased chance is still a chance.
Please also note -- I'm not particularly in favor of relocation myself, in part because of the issue of disease spread. But the risk of death wouldn't sway me one way or the other, since a small chance at life is more than no chance.
^^^ I agree with absolutely everything that you have said on this thread. I personally, dont understand why this thread is still going. No one is going to change their ways no matter if the other is talking til theyre blue in the face. I just dont see why to go around bragging about the killing of a predator. If youd rather put a bullet in the animal for doing what only comes naturally to it, then that is your choice. If you choose to capture & relocate, that is also your choice. From my understanding, Predators & Pets is not section in which a debate belongs. I always thought it was just more of an edjucational thing about how to PREVENT predators.. I may be wrong, but that is my opinion... I feel that you wouldnt have as much of an issue with predators if youve gone to great lengths to protect your animals from them. If the enclosure is built strong enough, or every measure of safety is taken - there would be no way a coon, or a possum,etc could get to the chickens. I do, however, understand that sometimes accidents happen..
that's who I was referring to...
...with all respect mrszlopez, if the predators and pests section bothers you, I'd suggest you avoid it. It is NOT just a PREVENTION section.
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It doesn't matter who you were or were not referring to, bluey. That "respect" thing goes BOTH ways -- and there are *plenty* of people who fail to show respect around here, not just folks who object to killing.
It doesn't matter who you were or were not referring to, bluey. That "respect" thing goes BOTH ways -- and there are *plenty* of people who fail to show respect around here, not just folks who object to killing.
Nevermind! lol
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its not the Predators & Pests section that bothers me. It is the bragging of killing animals that bothers me. How every other post is about how someone blew a predators brains out & was bragging about it. If i ever had NO CHOICE but to kill a predator as a last resort, you bet your butt i wouldnt be running around bragging about it. Id be devastated ! I just dont understand why it cant be done with a little more respect for people that actually dont run around with guns shooting any animal that comes after their chickens.
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It doesn't matter who you were or were not referring to, bluey. That "respect" thing goes BOTH ways -- and there are *plenty* of people who fail to show respect around here, not just folks who object to killing.
very well said.
It doesn't matter who you were or were not referring to, bluey. That "respect" thing goes BOTH ways -- and there are *plenty* of people who fail to show respect around here, not just folks who object to killing.
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Hmmmm....somehow I don't see a certain immediate death as an improvement over a possible delayed death.
I guess as long as the suffering animal is out of sight and out of mind, we did a better thing...is that your argument?
How about the upset of balance and territory of already established animals in the area of relocation? What about their suffering at the hands of a newly introduced predator?
Not that I gives a rat's patoot but that decision does have ramifications.
I asked you to cite research before about successful raccoon/opposum relocation and you were unable to do so because it does not exist in a "pest species". Therefore, how can you in all good conscience argue for it?
Hmmmm....somehow I don't see a certain immediate death as an improvement over a possible delayed death.
and it doesn't cause the spread of disease like relocating does. And shooting isn't illegal in most places the way relocating is.
Right. There are reasonable arguments against relocation. I just don't think that risk of death is one of them.
Right. There are reasonable arguments against relocation. I just don't think that risk of death is one of them.
I guess as long as the suffering animal is out of sight and out of mind, we did a better thing...is that your argument?
How about the upset of balance and territory of already established animals in the area of relocation? What about their suffering at the hands of a newly introduced predator?
Not that I gives a rat's patoot but that decision does have ramifications.
I asked you to cite research before about successful raccoon/opposum relocation and you were unable to do so because it does not exist in a "pest species". Therefore, how can you in all good conscience argue for it?
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