****does anyone know this breed of dog personaly?presa canario-update*****

[jarvis]

i would go for the smaller big dogs .. if its for your son .. most of the larger breed dogs you listed .. live on average of 7ish years .. where the healers (live forever i think ) and shepards live longer .. any of your choices would be fine if you socialize them from the start .. and raise them the right way .. ? My healer Dot (12 yrs old owned her parents ive had her her entire life=) ) use to kill chickens like her life depended on it .. after a session of explaining she couldnt kill my chickens .. she protects them from all the predators around here .. shes 12 and going strong .. since you all ready know how to handle them .. they are what id suggest .. besides .. even though they arent as big.. they are stupid tough .. and intelligent .. (should be .. ive met some poorly bred retarded healers lol) ive seen my dog take on a pair of huge dogs ..by herself and win ... shes killed skunks possums and racoons .. unscathed .. your son would have to be the one to handle the pup constantly though .. and feed it .. and stuff .. or it wouldnt bond to him .. =/ but you know how they are when they are bonded to someone .. deffinatley one person dogs.. lol ..

i love sheps and bull mastifs .. i tell you now mastifs have no place on a farm .. =( to easy for them to take down babys .. ( we had one .. and she did.. out of nowhere .. poor little horse .. ) and i know a lot of rotties that do good on farms .... but alot more that do not .. the mastiffs and st bernards arent heard dogs.. or livestock oriented .. good with ppl .. not herds .. =(

just my personal oppinion.. ( i may be a just a little bit biased to the healers though .. lol .. )

 

[Brindlebtch]

Corgi, English Shepherd, German Shepherd (careful), Staffordshire Bull Terrier.

In South Africa Staffies are called nurse maids. Big dog in a little body and will fight to the death to protect their family.

Corgies are big dogs in little bodies.

You would have to be VERY careful buying a German Shepherd. But if you find a nice one, you have a super fine dog.

English Shepherds are great dogs.

I, personally, would avoid a Rottie, Presa, Cane, Dogo, Fila, AmBull or any dog like that.

Australian Shepherds can be nice dogs and very protective, as can Australian cattle dogs.

 

[dinahmoe]

thats what my husband says too.he said we could get 2 heelers instead of 1 big dog.one for each of my kids.i love heelers but mine are just so attached to me.they are not outright aggressive but they will not let a stranger touch them.they still bark at my husband after 7 years if if doesn't speak to them first.they love the kids but are a very one person dog.he said if i get the right one and let the kids bond with it ,the kids will be very protected regardless of their size.

oh my heeler also kill 1 chicken when i first got them and i showed her what she did and that it was wrong and today she protects the chickens fiercely.she can read my facial expressions and hand movements-incredibly smart.

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i would go for the smaller big dogs .. if its for your son .. most of the larger breed dogs you listed .. live on average of 7ish years .. where the healers (live forever i think ) and shepards live longer .. any of your choices would be fine if you socialize them from the start .. and raise them the right way .. ? My healer Dot (12 yrs old owned her parents ive had her her entire life=) ) use to kill chickens like her life depended on it .. after a session of explaining she couldnt kill my chickens .. she protects them from all the predators around here .. shes 12 and going strong .. since you all ready know how to handle them .. they are what id suggest .. besides .. even though they arent as big.. they are stupid tough .. and intelligent .. (should be .. ive met some poorly bred retarded healers lol) ive seen my dog take on a pair of huge dogs ..by herself and win ... shes killed skunks possums and racoons .. unscathed .. your son would have to be the one to handle the pup constantly though .. and feed it .. and stuff .. or it wouldnt bond to him .. =/ but you know how they are when they are bonded to someone .. deffinatley one person dogs.. lol ..

i love sheps and bull mastifs .. i tell you now mastifs have no place on a farm .. =( to easy for them to take down babys .. ( we had one .. and she did.. out of nowhere .. poor little horse .. ) and i know a lot of rotties that do good on farms .... but alot more that do not .. the mastiffs and st bernards arent heard dogs.. or livestock oriented .. good with ppl .. not herds .. =(

just my personal oppinion.. ( i may be a just a little bit biased to the healers though .. lol .. )

 

[dinahmoe]

who is that in your avatar?

i don't know if i can talk my husband into an AmStaff.he just doesn't like to have heelers and bully breeds together around horses and cows.
he says the heelers are working but the bully isn't.
of all the AmStaff i have met tho they are very sweet.
he is not worried about them around the kids but more so the heelers/livestock combo.

Corgi, English Shepherd, German Shepherd (careful), Staffordshire Bull Terrier.

In South Africa Staffies are called nurse maids. Big dog in a little body and will fight to the death to protect their family.

Corgies are big dogs in little bodies.

You would have to be VERY careful buying a German Shepherd. But if you find a nice one, you have a super fine dog.

English Shepherds are great dogs.

I, personally, would avoid a Rottie, Presa, Cane, Dogo, Fila, AmBull or any dog like that.

Australian Shepherds can be nice dogs and very protective, as can Australian cattle dogs.

 

[Jamie_Dog_Trainer]

I totally agree with everyone that said stay way from Presas. They are a dog I do not think should be leagal to own unless you have a very specific purpose for it....they are very, very reactive dogs!!!

The Leonburger is a very nice breed. They are typical mastiff in that they tend to be on the very low key/lazy side when fully adult. Their coat is too much for most people though, it takes a dedicated owner to keep them clean and free of mats. Of course some lines have less coat than others. I have seem some of them that look like poof balls and some that basically have fringes like a Golden Retriever.

I 100% agree with the breeds the Brindle said to stay away from. And I like the breeds she listed as a potential better fit for what you want.

 

[dinahmoe]

wow,and then to cross that with what is probably a backyard rottie sounds like its going to be a very mean dog.

thanks for the info-never even heard of this breed but that might be the reason.
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I totally agree with everyone that said stay way from Presas. They are a dog I do not think should be leagal to own unless you have a very specific purpose for it....they are very, very reactive dogs!!!

 

[HEChicken]

thank you so much.
so if this is true why on earth would you cross this breed with a rottie-unless like you said for the fighting ring.

Many people put absolutely no thought into breeding. It might be a case of "I've got a girl in heat and you've got a boy, let's put them together". Or it might even be that they didn't properly contain an unspayed female dog in heat, and a neighbor did not properly contain their intact male Rott, and this is the result.

I know nothing about Presas, but I totally agree with those who recommended against a Rott mix (and Rotts are one of my favorite breeds), if only because being a large-breed dog there are so many health issues a breeder *should* be concerned about. A responsible breeder - who is breeding for the betterment of the breed - would never allow an intact male dog around the neighbor's unspayed female in heat. So these puppies are the result of not one, but two irresponsible dog owners, who either accidentally or on purpose allowed their dogs to procreate. As sweet as the puppies may be, there is a good chance they will grow up to be adults with health issues (hip dysplasia etc) which will cause heartache for you all.

 

[jarvis]

ive found my healers do best with the other healers . or the hearding dogs ... like i said a minute ago .. the kids will have to be the ones to disipline feed and care for the pup for it to bond to them instead of you ... usually whoever is punishing the pup for being naughty .. the pup sees them as the pack leader .. and bonds closetest to them .. and listens best to them .. My dog Dot wont listen to my parents at all and theyve been around her since day one as well .. she is deff my dog .. lol

i vote 2 new healers .. make sure they get trained young though . a unrully untrained pack of healers can be a nightmare .. and introduce them to the chickens and other animals when they are little and more impressionalble =)

 

[jarvis]

or aussies (australlian shepards) =) or let your kids pick what one of the two breeds .. and id let them pick their own pup ... go for a shy pup over the friendlyier ones who want to wrestle with you . the more shy timid healer pups are more submissive .. and timid .. (theyll intergrate better with your older dogs and wont be as hard (headstrong as the dominate ones=) ) i raised healers for six years .. and have always owned and been around them .. =) my all time favorite breed

 

[Brindlebtch]

who is that in your avatar?

i don't know if i can talk my husband into an AmStaff.he just doesn't like to have heelers and bully breeds together around horses and cows.
he says the heelers are working but the bully isn't.
of all the AmStaff i have met tho they are very sweet.
he is not worried about them around the kids but more so the heelers/livestock combo.

I have AmStaffs. I trust them when supervised around my chickens, but not unsupervised. Staffy Bulls are a lot smaller.