I agree.You need a food scale. With chickens, every gram counts. A human scale (lbs) isn't sensitive enough.
5.0 pounds = 2268 grams
4.8 pounds = 2177 grams
91 gram loss = a 4% loss
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I agree.You need a food scale. With chickens, every gram counts. A human scale (lbs) isn't sensitive enough.
Marek's is awful, that's no doubt! But it doesn't wipe out entire flocks usually (20% perhaps of younger birds here).. Vaccinated birds are not welcome here to HIDE the disease since I breed my birds. But if it's of concern for you, then be sure to order vaccinated chicks ONLY and quarantine them while it takes effect!I guess it's good that I'm probably not dealing with Marek's then for the sake of the other birds but now I have no idea what the problem is
Why?I doubt this is how Marek's would present in a FIVE year old chicken..
Great question! Thank you for not letting things slide.Why?
This has been a bit of a revelation to me! Thank you, always.So the odds are in your favor with her age, I still really think you still have to keep Mareks on the list and treat it as such, however that is.
So are you saying it is Marek's? Or just old age?Great question! Thank you for not letting things slide.
Seemed like slow wasting was the MOST notable symptom in older birds.. Her weight sounds like fast decline more than slow wasting..
And before seeing the post #64 had not YET previously heard/seen such thing reported. If I could use more than one like button.. it was hard to decide whether to use the i or the wow.. but I went with wow! Thanks for sharing.. with SO many of us gathered together with lightening fast internet to share our experiences.. I cannot even fathom how much/fast knowledge and understanding is going to continue expanding!!
Hmm.. I WONDER NOW... I "breed for resistance" specifically to Marek's, recognizing it's an ugly disease and the challenges I face are many, part of the reason I participate of course is personal growth and learning..
SO, birds that never succumb as, lets call them juveniles.. are knowingly exposed (I had a dx, meaning definite carriers), and presumed to be showing SOME resistance.. COULD still have it rear it's ugly head at some time in the future.. IF their immune system is somehow otherwise compromised.. including things like old age.. ONE thing I had not yet considered as being as actual stress, aging!! Though I do think annual molt is a stress.
I was under the impression that the nerves being fully developed wouldn't have the same complications.. BUT this is NOT the SAME complication.. this is NOT the tumor that presses on the nerve & causes limping.. more like actual neurological degrade.. PLEASE forgive me.. what I'm typing is as it's working through my head.. to figure something out.. I *guess* I would expect to see some crop dysfunction.. causing nutrient debt, leading to the seizures.. in this instance perhaps.. and that's very likely WHY I thought no.
Back to the aging thing.. the neural network often diminishes with time/age depending partly on genetics and partly on environment.. Old people can't walk like they used to, lose their teeth, wear diapers, and so on.. what was I thinking?!
Please note five years old is not much for some birds.. but may be up there for others.. So I feel both ways for this gal.. she's likely considered senior.. though I want her to have lot's of life left.
This has been a bit of a revelation to me! Thank you, always.
According to the state vet at UC Davis in California.. Mdv is "ubiquitous" in poultry environments. And EVEN the birds that were vaccinated MAY still be (many guaranteed are) carrying the disease!
BUT even if it were a perfect storm of things that actually cause the illness/death... a necropsy *may* assign cause as.. ______.
Marek's, Covid, SARS.. name the flavor of the month to fear monger where money can be made selling vaccines/etc, information/knowledge is limited.. and there it is.
Ugh.. I wish I could give you a straight answer.. She is definitely aged. Marek's can only be verified via necropsy or a blood test.So are you saying it is Marek's? Or just old age?
SO much to think about. I lost a vaccinated pullet coming into lay last month. Such a prime target time for mareks, Im sure it took her down.Great question! Thank you for not letting things slide.
Seemed like slow wasting was the MOST notable symptom in older birds.. Her weight sounds like fast decline more than slow wasting..
And before seeing the post #64 had not YET previously heard/seen such thing reported. If I could use more than one like button.. it was hard to decide whether to use the i or the wow.. but I went with wow! Thanks for sharing.. with SO many of us gathered together with lightening fast internet to share our experiences.. I cannot even fathom how much/fast knowledge and understanding is going to continue expanding!!
Hmm.. I WONDER NOW... I "breed for resistance" specifically to Marek's, recognizing it's an ugly disease and the challenges I face are many, part of the reason I participate of course is personal growth and learning..
SO, birds that never succumb as, lets call them juveniles.. are knowingly exposed (I had a dx, meaning definite carriers), and presumed to be showing SOME resistance.. COULD still have it rear it's ugly head at some time in the future.. IF their immune system is somehow otherwise compromised.. including things like old age.. ONE thing I had not yet considered as being as actual stress, aging!! Though I do think annual molt is a stress.
I was under the impression that the nerves being fully developed wouldn't have the same complications.. BUT this is NOT the SAME complication.. this is NOT the tumor that presses on the nerve & causes limping.. more like actual neurological degrade.. PLEASE forgive me.. what I'm typing is as it's working through my head.. to figure something out.. I *guess* I would expect to see some crop dysfunction.. causing nutrient debt, leading to the seizures.. in this instance perhaps.. and that's very likely WHY I thought no.
Back to the aging thing.. the neural network often diminishes with time/age depending partly on genetics and partly on environment.. Old people can't walk like they used to, lose their teeth, wear diapers, and so on.. what was I thinking?!
Please note five years old is not much for some birds.. but may be up there for others.. So I feel both ways for this gal.. she's likely considered senior.. though I want her to have lot's of life left.
This has been a bit of a revelation to me! Thank you, always.
According to the state vet at UC Davis in California.. Mdv is "ubiquitous" in poultry environments. And EVEN the birds that were vaccinated MAY still be (many guaranteed are) carrying the disease!
BUT even if it were a perfect storm of things that actually cause the illness/death... a necropsy *may* assign cause as.. ______.
Marek's, Covid, SARS.. name the flavor of the month to fear monger where money can be made selling vaccines/etc, information/knowledge is limited.. and there it is.
You should start one!I don’t mean to highjack the OPs thread with what I am learning/quesitoning/experiencing. @EggSighted4Life Is there a thread for marek's "discussion"? I find lots of individual threads that happen to get some meaty bits of info, the big giant wonderful FAQ article, but not a "thread" with ongoing discussions.
Well, YOU are the starter of some of my favorite informative ongoing threads for discussion.. I tend to be a thread stopper!Is there a thread for marek's "discussion"? I find lots of individual threads that happen to get some meaty bits of info, the big giant wonderful FAQ article, but not a "thread" with ongoing discussions.