Dog- need advice.

[hillbilly91]

If you're afraid to have him around your children, this is 100% the right decision. It's not worth the risk. Besides that- the life of one dog vs the lives of who knows how many other dogs, cats, and chickens? No contest.
(and by the way- the so-called Dog Whisperer is a dog abuser working off of faulty logic based on misconceptions about wolves- not even misconceptions about dogs. He intimidates dogs into behaving. None of his methods are trustworthy.)

 

[MROO]

Yes it bothers me so much to see all these animals dumped around here!!
So many puppies it's surprising. I feel bad for them all. the animal shelter knows us all on first name basis due to us few neighbors calling for them to come pick up all the dumped animals.

My newest dog - that's her in my avatar - was found wandering the back roads of Georgia. She was all of three months old - no more than 14 weeks. She was the lucky one. I wonder how many of her litter-mates didn't make it that far.

 

[llombardo]

The cats more than likely climb the wood poles. The small dogs have either came under the gates which obviously have small clearance to swing or dug a hole. Unfortunately I cant keep everything out despite wanting to. Even the gates are nonclimb panel gates.

I have a yorkie that runs around here. I had to put fitted 2x4s under the gates. My dogs would kill it instantly. I don't want that, so I had to do something to protect my neighbors dog. This same dog actually circled, barked and growled at my female GSD while she was on leash. She seriously looked at me like do you see this?

 

[Mimi13]

I have seven dogs: 3 Labs, 2 Heelers, one Catahoula and one Great Pyrenees/German Shepherd mix. Neither breed, Lab or GP, are wired for aggression. Protection, yes, but not aggression. There is a difference.
Rehabilitation is not always successful, with dogs and even with people. Taxpayers know the cost of that. Different subject, same soapbox.
Caging the dog in an inescapable, concrete bottomed, padlocked kennel is at the least cruel and inhumane. Both of those breeds need to run and be free. An LGD thinks of an acre of land as his living room. It is his mindset to oversee the land, to lay in the rain and snow, to roam and protect. A Lab is a cheerful, happy-go-lucky dog, always looking for the party. If there is a dog of either of these breeds that does not possess these traits or qualities, something is clearly wrong. The AKC has standards for dog breeds as does the APA for chicken breeds. It is what it is. However, sometimes things go awry. Wiring is short-circuited, in-breeding carried too far, etc. It can be seen everywhere in nature, but not always can be explained. However, we as humans are the stewards of the land and all that is in it.
It is our basic responsibility to take care of and protect what is ours, and to also make sure what is ours is not a danger to others.
Enough said. This dog is a danger to everything and most importantly your family. Make no bones about it, it is only a matter of time. You know where my vote stands. Euthanasia is best, all the way around.

And for what it’s worth...that’s my two cents worth!

PS: As I said earlier, rehabilitation is not always successful. And if a rehabilitated person can fail, what does that say about an animal.

 

[llombardo]

I think you need to be getting help from someone with expertise on dogs and able to asses the dogs behavior first hand. We people of the internet either lack the expertise (I am among those having expertise even though have had a good 15 dogs in my life) or unable to make on the ground assessments.

Agreed. We don't see what is happening. As a parent I can understand that with this dogs history of killing every move it makes is questioned. There has to be tension that he can feel and that makes it worse.

I've saw other threads where dogs are commended for killing intruding animals, especially certain breeds that are bred for it. This dog is taking his job seriously.

One of my questions to the owner is have you witness him kill the dogs? I'm getting the impression they were all small?

It was also mentioned that this behavior did not happen in previous home you all lived in. What changed?

 

[llombardo]

I have seven dogs: 3 Labs, 2 Heelers, one Catahoula and one Great Pyrenees/German Shepherd mix. Neither breed, Lab or GP, are wired for aggression. Protection, yes, but not aggression. There is a difference.
Rehabilitation is not always successful, with dogs and even with people. Taxpayers know the cost of that. Different subject, same soapbox.
Caging the dog in an inescapable, concrete bottomed, padlocked kennel is at the least cruel and inhumane. Both of those breeds need to run and be free. An LGD thinks of an acre of land as his living room. It is his mindset to oversee the land, to lay in the rain and snow, to roam and protect. A Lab is a cheerful, happy-go-lucky dog, always looking for the party. If there is a dog of either of these breeds that does not possess these traits or qualities, something is clearly wrong. The AKC has standards for dog breeds as does the APA for chicken breeds. It is what it is. However, sometimes things go awry. Wiring is short-circuited, in-breeding carried too far, etc. It can be seen everywhere in nature, but not always can be explained. However, we as humans are the stewards of the land and all that is in it.
It is our basic responsibility to take care of and protect what is ours, and to also make sure what is ours is not a danger to others.
Enough said. This dog is a danger to everything and most importantly your family. Make no bones about it, it is only a matter of time. You know where my vote stands. Euthanasia is best, all the way around.

And for what it’s worth...that’s my two cents worth!

PS: As I said earlier, rehabilitation is not always successful. And if a rehabilitated person can fail, what does that say about an animal.

Great Pyrneese are used to protect and are one of the top dogs used to kill animals that come on their property. They are super protective and territorial. It is what they do.

 

[hillbilly91]

I have seven dogs: 3 Labs, 2 Heelers, one Catahoula and one Great Pyrenees/German Shepherd mix. Neither breed, Lab or GP, are wired for aggression. Protection, yes, but not aggression. There is a difference.
Rehabilitation is not always successful, with dogs and even with people. Taxpayers know the cost of that. Different subject, same soapbox.
Caging the dog in an inescapable, concrete bottomed, padlocked kennel is at the least cruel and inhumane. Both of those breeds need to run and be free. An LGD thinks of an acre of land as his living room. It is his mindset to oversee the land, to lay in the rain and snow, to roam and protect. A Lab is a cheerful, happy-go-lucky dog, always looking for the party. If there is a dog of either of these breeds that does not possess these traits or qualities, something is clearly wrong. The AKC has standards for dog breeds as does the APA for chicken breeds. It is what it is. However, sometimes things go awry. Wiring is short-circuited, in-breeding carried too far, etc. It can be seen everywhere in nature, but not always can be explained. However, we as humans are the stewards of the land and all that is in it.
It is our basic responsibility to take care of and protect what is ours, and to also make sure what is ours is not a danger to others.
Enough said. This dog is a danger to everything and most importantly your family. Make no bones about it, it is only a matter of time. You know where my vote stands. Euthanasia is best, all the way around.

And for what it’s worth...that’s my two cents worth!

PS: As I said earlier, rehabilitation is not always successful. And if a rehabilitated person can fail, what does that say about an animal.

That's like saying it's inhumane to not duck hunt your lab. Zoos do the same with wild animals and people pay to go see them. What a hypocrite

 

[hillbilly91]

Great Pyrneese are used to protect and are one of the top dogs used to kill animals that come on their property. They are super protective and territorial. It is what they do.

I agree. Like I said earlier, don't blame the dog for human ignorance or human negligence

 

[Fishkeeper]

That's like saying it's inhumane to not duck hunt your lab. Zoos do the same with wild animals and people pay to go see them. What a hypocrite

There's a pretty big difference between an enclosure in a good zoo, and the average dog run. Besides that, zoo animals are born in enclosures, it's the only normal they know, but this is a dog that used to have a lot of room to roam.

 

[TheOgdensmenagerie]

I think you need to be getting help from someone with expertise on dogs and able to asses the dogs behavior first hand. We people of the internet either lack the expertise (I am among those having expertise even though have had a good 15 dogs in my life) or unable to make on the ground assessments.

Our vet is a friend of the family I think I'm going to talk to him about everything. And get his personal opinion before it's a done deal. Unfortunately around here there aren't many dog trainers for behavior. I mean if you want a hunting dog sure or a livestock dog but that's about it.

So many of yal are quick to judge this situation when nothing human related has happened. It's in the dogs breed to protect.

Yup it's a hard call between he is just protecting to can it go further to human accident.
I don't want to get sued for someone's dog getting it if it does end up belonging to a neighbor!! That's the crappy part even though we took precautions to keep him in our property if someone's dog dies here they can still sue us for property damage. :/ Stupid law.

Agreed. We don't see what is happening. As a parent I can understand that with this dogs history of killing every move it makes is questioned. There has to be tension that he can feel and that makes it worse.

I've saw other threads where dogs are commended for killing intruding animals, especially certain breeds that are bred for it. This dog is taking his job seriously.

One of my questions to the owner is have you witness him kill the dogs? I'm getting the impression they were all small?

It was also mentioned that this behavior did not happen in previous home you all lived in. What changed?

I have witnessed an attack I was able to stop that easily before the dog was hurt. All the other times I have either came out of the house to find it somewhere or gone at the time.
They were all small to small medium dogs. He is large 100+lbs.

The previous home had an enclosed backyard that he stayed in due to it being off a very busy road. We didn't want him to get hit. He was socialized with other animals we took him everywhere. On trail rides with dogs of all sizes, chickens, cats...
When we came here all of a sudden he decided to chase the chickens one day. Despite being disciplined over it he just kept going on to other stuff and then dogs. We have no idea what happened. I think once he got that drive to kill after the Chickens he just can't control it anymore.