Dog training methods

[BigBlueHen53]

I use consequences. Red light, green light. Accurately timed, consistently applied.

One must understand the difference between punishment and negative reinforcement. Punishment takes place after a "crime" has been committed, and teaches nothing, as it is not connected in the dog's mind to the unwanted action. He cannot un-chew the shoe. Negative reinforcement consists of three elements: a cue or signal, a one-second interval, and the reinforcer itself, in that sequence. Failure to use these three elements properly and accurately comprises abuse and can result in a psychological response known as "learned helplessness." Look it up, it's very destructive. Some dogs subjected to this in an experimental setting had to be humanely destroyed.

I don't use treats and I don't use a clicker. The use of a clicker in training was started by Karen Pryor, who trained dolphins. Dolphins communicate with a series of clicks; dogs do not. She had to communicate with dolphins when they were in deep water, where she could not go. Your voice, face and hands are excellent rewards for your dog, they are unique and you always have them with you, unlike a clicker which sounds the same as everyone else's and can be lost or forgotten. I'm not saying clicker training is a bad training method, just that there are better ways.

As for treats, I find them distracting. You may train a dog to respond to treats, but will he obey when your pockets are empty? What if the distraction is of greater value than the treat, or he's just not hungry? If a dog is chasing a car, horse or cat, does he really care if you have Liva-Snaps? I'm betting not.

 

[KtheChickenGal]

I use consequences. Red light, green light. Accurately timed, consistently applied.

One must understand the difference between punishment and negative reinforcement. Punishment takes place after a "crime" has been committed, and teaches nothing, as it is not connected in the dog's mind to the unwanted action. He cannot un-chew the shoe. Negative reinforcement consists of three elements: a cue or signal, a one-second interval, and the reinforcer itself, in that sequence. Failure to use these three elements properly and accurately comprises abuse and can result in a psychological response known as "learned helplessness." Look it up, it's very destructive. Some dogs subjected to this in an experimental setting had to be humanely destroyed.

I don't use treats and I don't use a clicker. The use of a clicker in training was started by Karen Pryor, who trained dolphins. Dolphins communicate with a series of clicks; dogs do not. She had to communicate with dolphins when they were in deep water, where she could not go. Your voice, face and hands are excellent rewards for your dog, they are unique and you always have them with you, unlike a clicker which sounds the same as everyone else's and can be lost or forgotten. I'm not saying clicker training is a bad training method, just that there are better ways.

As for treats, I find them distracting. You may train a dog to respond to treats, but will he obey when your pockets are empty? What if the distraction is of greater value than the treat, or he's just not hungry? If a dog is chasing a car, horse or cat, does he really care if you have Liva-Snaps? I'm betting not.

Well said!!

 

[KtheChickenGal]

I use consequences. Red light, green light. Accurately timed, consistently applied.

One must understand the difference between punishment and negative reinforcement. Punishment takes place after a "crime" has been committed, and teaches nothing, as it is not connected in the dog's mind to the unwanted action. He cannot un-chew the shoe. Negative reinforcement consists of three elements: a cue or signal, a one-second interval, and the reinforcer itself, in that sequence. Failure to use these three elements properly and accurately comprises abuse and can result in a psychological response known as "learned helplessness." Look it up, it's very destructive. Some dogs subjected to this in an experimental setting had to be humanely destroyed.

I don't use treats and I don't use a clicker. The use of a clicker in training was started by Karen Pryor, who trained dolphins. Dolphins communicate with a series of clicks; dogs do not. She had to communicate with dolphins when they were in deep water, where she could not go. Your voice, face and hands are excellent rewards for your dog, they are unique and you always have them with you, unlike a clicker which sounds the same as everyone else's and can be lost or forgotten. I'm not saying clicker training is a bad training method, just that there are better ways.

As for treats, I find them distracting. You may train a dog to respond to treats, but will he obey when your pockets are empty? What if the distraction is of greater value than the treat, or he's just not hungry? If a dog is chasing a car, horse or cat, does he really care if you have Liva-Snaps? I'm betting not.

Yeah, and if I was a positive reinforcement only trainer, like you said what am I gonna do if my dog runs towards the road? Give them a treat the next time they don't run on the road?

 

[KtheChickenGal]

I still wouldn't use it. You've made it make sense for sure, but that doesn't mean it's a great idea. Leash pressure = pain. Taking pain away is not a top rated training technique no matter how you twist it.

Honestly, I know that my dog is happy, healthy, well trained, has a good relationship with me, and trusts me, and that's what matters to me. You use only positive reinforcement. I use positive and negative reinforcement. That's fine.

 

[BigBlueHen53]

You cannot communicate with a dog using words. He does not understand English - or whatever your native tongue may be. (Yeah, yeah, I know, 200 people are going to testify their dog understands every word they speak, I get it, mine does too.) But here's the thing. My dog is 10 years old and has had a lifetime of listening to me, and believe me, he understands me when it suits him. We're talking about training a puppy. And the first time I say "Sit," or "Down," he hears, "Oogala." So if I use the training collar and leash to direct him into the position I want him to take as I say the magic (training) word, that is communicating.

Example. Let's assume you and I speak different languages. You are sitting in a chair and I need you to stand up. I say to you, "Oogala." You look at me. I say it again, a little louder, maybe slower. "OOOOoogaaalaaa." No reaction. Louder this time. "OOOGAALAA!" You stll don't respond. You big dummy! I jump up and down, maybe wave my arms, that'll help, right? "OOGALA! OOOGAALAA!" Why won't you oogala?

This is how many of us train our dogs. Sit. SIT! SIT, SIT, SIT! While the dog looks at us side-eyed, licking his lips nervously, wondering if he should call 911 or the men in the white coats.

But, if I take you gently by the hand as I say, "Oogala" politely and pull you up to a standing position, smile and nod when you're standing, pat you approvingly on the shoulder, what might happen the next time I say "oogala" to you? There's a good chance you'll jump to your feet because now you know what "oogala" means!

And so with the dog. I say ,"Sit." I say it one time. I don't repeat it. I pull upwards on the leash - not to strangle him, but just enough to make him aware of it. At the same time, I slide my other hand down his back to just in front of his hip bones to the ticklish spot (you're ticklish there, too) and give a little squeeze. His haunches go down, he flinches. Immediately I lower my hand that's pulling up on the leash, release the squeeze, and say, "Good boy!" in a happy voice, and walk him forward. I repeat this a few times and in a matter of minutes he knows what Sit means.

Negative reinforcer? Yeah, sure. He wants me not to pull up on the leash or tickle him. It's not painful but it's a "something." We're communicating. That's all. Just like you'd just as soon I not pull you out of the chair by your hand. I've shown him what I want. Now he knows what Sit means.

 

[KtheChickenGal]

I'm not really sure why dog training has become so controversial and picky train YOUR dog the way that works best for YOUR dog lol not how the internet tells you to

 

[KtheChickenGal]

You cannot communicate with a dog using words. He does not understand English - or whatever your native tongue may be. (Yeah, yeah, I know, 200 people are going to testify their dog understands every word they speak, I get it, mine does too.) But here's the thing. My dog is 10 years old and has had a lifetime of listening to me, and believe me, he understands me when it suits him. We're talking about training a puppy. And the first time I say "Sit," or "Down," he hears, "Oogala." So if I use the training collar and leash to direct him into the position I want him to take as I say the magic (training) word, that is communicating.

Example. Let's assume you and I speak different languages. You are sitting in a chair and I need you to stand up. I say to you, "Oogala." You look at me. I say it again, a little louder, maybe slower. "OOOOoogaaalaaa." No reaction. Louder this time. "OOOGAALAA!" You stll don't respond. You big dummy! I jump up and down, maybe wave my arms, that'll help, right? "OOGALA! OOOGAALAA!" Why won't you oogala?

This is how many of us train our dogs. Sit. SIT! SIT, SIT, SIT! While the dog looks at us side-eyed, licking his lips nervously, wondering if he should call 911 or the men in the white coats.

But, if I take you gently by the hand as I say, "Oogala" politely and pull you up to a standing position, smile and nod when you're standing, pat you approvingly on the shoulder, what might happen the next time I say "oogala" to you? There's a good chance you'll jump to your feet because now you know what "oogala" means!

And so with the dog. I say ,"Sit." I say it one time. I don't repeat it. I pull upwards on the leash - not to strangle him, but just enough to make him aware of it. At the same time, I slide my other hand down his back to just in front of his hip bones to the ticklish spot (you're ticklish there, too) and give a little squeeze. His haunches go down, he flinches. Immediately I lower my hand that's pulling up on the leash, release the squeeze, and say, "Good boy!" in a happy voice, and walk him forward. I repeat this a few times and in a matter of minutes he knows what Sit means.

Negative reinforcer? Yeah, sure. He wants me not to pull up on the leash or tickle him. It's not painful but it's a "something." We're communicating. That's all. Just like you'd just as soon I not pull you out of the chair by your hand. I've shown him what I want. Now he knows what Sit means.

YESS WOW that was an amazing explanation!!

 

[KtheChickenGal]

You cannot communicate with a dog using words. He does not understand English - or whatever your native tongue may be. (Yeah, yeah, I know, 200 people are going to testify their dog understands every word they speak, I get it, mine does too.) But here's the thing. My dog is 10 years old and has had a lifetime of listening to me, and believe me, he understands me when it suits him. We're talking about training a puppy. And the first time I say "Sit," or "Down," he hears, "Oogala." So if I use the training collar and leash to direct him into the position I want him to take as I say the magic (training) word, that is communicating.

Example. Let's assume you and I speak different languages. You are sitting in a chair and I need you to stand up. I say to you, "Oogala." You look at me. I say it again, a little louder, maybe slower. "OOOOoogaaalaaa." No reaction. Louder this time. "OOOGAALAA!" You stll don't respond. You big dummy! I jump up and down, maybe wave my arms, that'll help, right? "OOGALA! OOOGAALAA!" Why won't you oogala?

This is how many of us train our dogs. Sit. SIT! SIT, SIT, SIT! While the dog looks at us side-eyed, licking his lips nervously, wondering if he should call 911 or the men in the white coats.

But, if I take you gently by the hand as I say, "Oogala" politely and pull you up to a standing position, smile and nod when you're standing, pat you approvingly on the shoulder, what might happen the next time I say "oogala" to you? There's a good chance you'll jump to your feet because now you know what "oogala" means!

And so with the dog. I say ,"Sit." I say it one time. I don't repeat it. I pull upwards on the leash - not to strangle him, but just enough to make him aware of it. At the same time, I slide my other hand down his back to just in front of his hip bones to the ticklish spot (you're ticklish there, too) and give a little squeeze. His haunches go down, he flinches. Immediately I lower my hand that's pulling up on the leash, release the squeeze, and say, "Good boy!" in a happy voice, and walk him forward. I repeat this a few times and in a matter of minutes he knows what Sit means.

Negative reinforcer? Yeah, sure. He wants me not to pull up on the leash or tickle him. It's not painful but it's a "something." We're communicating. That's all. Just like you'd just as soon I not pull you out of the chair by your hand. I've shown him what I want. Now he knows what Sit means.

THANK YOU. What I've been trying to say but I'm not good at explaining though a computer

 

[KtheChickenGal]

You cannot communicate with a dog using words. He does not understand English - or whatever your native tongue may be. (Yeah, yeah, I know, 200 people are going to testify their dog understands every word they speak, I get it, mine does too.) But here's the thing. My dog is 10 years old and has had a lifetime of listening to me, and believe me, he understands me when it suits him. We're talking about training a puppy. And the first time I say "Sit," or "Down," he hears, "Oogala." So if I use the training collar and leash to direct him into the position I want him to take as I say the magic (training) word, that is communicating.

Example. Let's assume you and I speak different languages. You are sitting in a chair and I need you to stand up. I say to you, "Oogala." You look at me. I say it again, a little louder, maybe slower. "OOOOoogaaalaaa." No reaction. Louder this time. "OOOGAALAA!" You stll don't respond. You big dummy! I jump up and down, maybe wave my arms, that'll help, right? "OOGALA! OOOGAALAA!" Why won't you oogala?

This is how many of us train our dogs. Sit. SIT! SIT, SIT, SIT! While the dog looks at us side-eyed, licking his lips nervously, wondering if he should call 911 or the men in the white coats.

But, if I take you gently by the hand as I say, "Oogala" politely and pull you up to a standing position, smile and nod when you're standing, pat you approvingly on the shoulder, what might happen the next time I say "oogala" to you? There's a good chance you'll jump to your feet because now you know what "oogala" means!

And so with the dog. I say ,"Sit." I say it one time. I don't repeat it. I pull upwards on the leash - not to strangle him, but just enough to make him aware of it. At the same time, I slide my other hand down his back to just in front of his hip bones to the ticklish spot (you're ticklish there, too) and give a little squeeze. His haunches go down, he flinches. Immediately I lower my hand that's pulling up on the leash, release the squeeze, and say, "Good boy!" in a happy voice, and walk him forward. I repeat this a few times and in a matter of minutes he knows what Sit means.

Negative reinforcer? Yeah, sure. He wants me not to pull up on the leash or tickle him. It's not painful but it's a "something." We're communicating. That's all. Just like you'd just as soon I not pull you out of the chair by your hand. I've shown him what I want. Now he knows what Sit means.

I got told negative reinforcement is wrong no matter what why I twist it, because it's painful. Like no it's not!! What if someone asked you to walk in a straight line, but you didn't understand, so they took you by the arm and led you in a straight line so you could understand and succeed. That's not mean- they helped you!

 

[KtheChickenGal]

I got told negative reinforcement is wrong no matter what why I twist it, because it's painful. Like no it's not!! What if someone asked you to walk in a straight line, but you didn't understand, so they took you by the arm and led you in a straight line so you could understand and succeed. That's not mean- they helped you!

And a lot of people who are against negative reinforcement don't even know what it is! LOL They just hear the word negative and assume that you're abusing your dog.