Dog training methods

[KtheChickenGal]

He wasn't properly phased out clearly, that would not have happened if done properly

I just think that if you have a good relationship with your dog, you shouldn't have to use food. I'm not saying that I never use food with my dog- she has to eat and I sometimes use her daily kibble in training sessions. I have trained her to do multiple things without food. She has obligation and a relationship with me.

 

[KtheChickenGal]

I just think that if you have a good relationship with your dog, you shouldn't have to use food. I'm not saying that I never use food with my dog- she has to eat and I sometimes use her daily kibble in training sessions. I have trained her to do multiple things without food. She has obligation and a relationship with me.

Wild dogs and wolves don't keep little pieces of meat in their mouths so they can reward their pups for not running off and being killed. The pups learned through their parents/ leader correcting them and showing them what to do.

 

[KtheChickenGal]

Wild dogs and wolves don't keep little pieces of meat in their mouths so they can reward their pups for not running off and being killed. The pups learned through their parents/ leader correcting them and showing them what to do.

And I don't think using treats is bad, just that it shouldn't be neccessary.

 

[TexasBlues]

Wild dogs and wolves don't keep little pieces of meat in their mouths so they can reward their pups for not running off and being killed. The pups learned through their parents/ leader correcting them and showing them what to do.

you so sure about that?

 

[BigBlueHen53]

Love the smile on the first mother's face!

 

[KtheChickenGal]

you so sure about that?
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LOL!

 

[KtheChickenGal]

LOL!

And yes, I know wolves regurgitate food for their pups, I was talking about how ridiculous it would be if the pups ONLY listened for food, and the mom always had to have a little piece of gristle in her teeth so the pups would obey

 

[Pampered chicken girl]

I just think that if you have a good relationship with your dog, you shouldn't have to use food. I'm not saying that I never use food with my dog- she has to eat and I sometimes use her daily kibble in training sessions. I have trained her to do multiple things without food. She has obligation and a relationship with me.

I think most people who oppose using treats greatly misunderstand the role of treats. You aren't using the treat as a bribe, you are using it as a reward. It's a way to convey a message that the dog did what you asked correctly. The first time you ask a dog to sit, they do it, you treat. Now the dog(after a few reps) should know what the word means and should do it. If the dog doesn't, it's either time to take a step back if the dog is confused or use leash pressure and reward once the dog sits if you are sure the dog does understand the command and is just defying you.
You use the treat as well to load a marker word such as "yes" so when you don't have treats available you use the word alone. The dog isn't working for the food, it's working for you but also getting a reward. Slowly you start to phase out the treats and just use the marker word. It can also be useful for dogs that get way too excited with big praise and petting(like my dog). If you have a dog that is too distracted by treats then maybe praise is a better alternative but if you are using treats the dog should be working still for you, if you are doing it right.
I have a great relationship with my dog, she loves me and is very excited to see me but she was trained with treats. Do I carry treats everywhere? No way but she listens because of me. These days I ask for 5 or 6 commands before I give her a treat unless I'm teaching something knew, but she gets her positive marker word after each success either way which is a reward for her.

 

[KtheChickenGal]

I think most people who oppose using treats greatly misunderstand the role of treats. You aren't using the treat as a bribe, you are using it as a reward. It's a way to convey a message that the dog did what you asked correctly. The first time you ask a dog to sit, they do it, you treat. Now the dog(after a few reps) should know what the word means and should do it. If the dog doesn't, it's either time to take a step back if the dog is confused or use leash pressure and reward once the dog sits if you are sure the dog does understand the command and is just defying you.
You use the treat as well to load a marker word such as "yes" so when you don't have treats available you use the word alone. The dog isn't working for the food, it's working for you but also getting a reward. Slowly you start to phase out the treats and just use the marker word. It can also be useful for dogs that get way too excited with big praise and petting(like my dog). If you have a dog that is too distracted by treats then maybe praise is a better alternative but if you are using treats the dog should be working still for you, if you are doing it right.
I have a great relationship with my dog, she loves me and is very excited to see me but she was trained with treats. Do I carry treats everywhere? No way but she listens because of me. These days I ask for 5 or 6 commands before I give her a treat unless I'm teaching something knew, but she gets her positive marker word after each success either way which is a reward for her.

That's great! I am not against treats, I just get sad when I see a lot of other people using them incorrectly and creating problems.
You clearly use treats well- good job.

 

[Ilovemychicks08]

I like balanced training, some dont and some do consider e collars negative. I think they are a a good tool if used correctly. With a fearful dog positive training has mostly worked. I do use a e collar though when off lead.
With my families dog she was positive trained mostly to but e collar also.
Some dogs need a bit more correction but be reguided and redirected then praised not punished.
I am not against choke collars but dont personally use them, as i dont need them. Instead i taught leash pressure.

For Tuckers reactivity if he starts to react i do gently pull away and once he refocuses praise. This is what has been working. He isnt exploding at people or dogs.
We had a offleash encounter where the dog was more focused on meeting Denver(our other pup) and i walked away with Tucker he didnt react and we continued our walk