Double laced Barnevelder roo over various hens colour advice please.

[Chicalina]

I would like some advice to help me decide whether to keep one of my two Barnevelder roos for breeding or get rid of them both. I think they are considered red, or is it black for genetics purposes? Pic below.

So, I have the following hens and would love to know what colours I'd get if I bred them with one of the Barnevelders.

Partridge silkie
Buff laced Polish
White crested Cuckoo Polish
White frizzle Polish
Splash blue laced red Wyandotte
Welsummer

And I am hatching Sussexes for next year's breeding in the following colours (assuming I get pullets):

Light
Red
Speckled
Silver

Will the Light Sussex, White Polish and any others produce sex links with this cross? What else can I expect from any of these pairings?

 

[Chicalina]

These are the boys. Thinking of keeping one if they could produce sex linked babies or pretty colour combos.

 

[Amer]

He appears to be single laced
X partridge-incomplete red laced
X buff laced-paint laced red
X white crested cuckoo-sexlinks: leaky cuckoo males, leaky black females
X white-could be anything from lacing to leaky black.
X splash laced red-blue laced red
X Welsummer incomplete red laced
X Light (silver columbian)- sexlinks: red gold/silver heterozygous incomplete laced males, red incomplete laced females
X Red-red incomplete laced
X Speckled-red incomplete laced
X silver- some kind of leaky black with red gold/silver males and red females?

 

[Chicalina]

Oh, I thought the double-laced roosters had black breasts. Whoops. Silly me.
Yeah that makes a difference.

Really interesting article here about how the black breast was bred out in the UK for lacing about 100 years ago compared to the original black breast in the Netherlands. So maybe there are BBRs still knocking around? Mine has a laced breast.

https://cluckin.net/the-barnevelder.html

 

[Chicalina]

If the laced males are rare in the US, I have 2 show quality cockerels that someone could import from me!

 

[Amer]

If the laced males are rare in the US, I have 2 show quality cockerels that someone could import from me!

Heh, we might need it. Maybe that’s why Barnevelders are so rare here, they gave up on the coloring!

 

[NatJ]

I think they are considered red, or is it black for genetics purposes?

They are red, black, and not-black depending on which genes you are talking about:

Red (gold), not silver.

Black, not Blue or Splash.
Black, not Dominant White.
Black, not lavender.
Black, not chocolate.

Not-black because they have a pattern of black and red, not the E gene for Extended Black, which would make them black all over.

 

[Chicalina]

Very informative.
I just realized your roosters probably wouldn’t help us much. We don’t have many double laced bantams here. XD

They aren't that common in the UK either. I had to buy eggs from a breeder far away and get them shipped.

I only keep bantam sizes of chicken now for space reasons (so I can keep more). Plus less feed for more egg is a way better ratio with bantams. My little polish hens lay the same size egg as the huge LF buff Orpingtons I used to have, yet take up half the space and eat half the food!

 

[Chicalina]

I prefer bantams too for this reason.

 

[Chicalina]

He is a bantam! Sorry, should have mentioned that.

All mine are bantams. I also have micro bantams but don't count those because he won't breed them.