Duckwing Leghorns

[Miami Leghorn]

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[nicalandia]

Wow, Five pages and none have Nailed down what is going on? I will be posting two ways on how true breeding golden duckwing leghorn can and have been created!

 

[nicalandia]

First what is going on with the European true breeding golden duckwings!

These birds are your basic light brown leghorns(e+/e+ s+/s+ co+/co+ mh+/mh+) but with autosomal recessive cream gene(ig/ig) I am not going to go in the the history on how cream ig/ig was introduced in to light brown leghorns but I would like to point out that Professor Punnett received blue egg laying crested Chilean hens from botanist Clarence Elliott in 1929. One of these hens led to Professor Punnett’s monumental discovery of the recessive cream color in poultry in 1931.


So what you need to introduce in your light brown leghorns is the cream gene from a donor with a very similar type to leghorns(just can't find them here in the USA), lucky for you the Cream Legbars have made their way to the USA, now bee in the look out for quality stock as some "cream Legbars" lines have been badly bred and even outcrossed.


here are pics of outstanding quality Cream Legbars

having found a good donor pair, what you need to start doing is crossing your best leghorn rooster to a quality CLB hen, this will produce F1 pullets that are none barred and carry one copy of autosomal recessive cream(Ig+/ig) taking it from there should be really straight forward.

 

[The Moonshiner]

The problem with nailing them down is that there's different ideas of what they are. That can be seen with the pics OP has posted.
A light brown leghorn with cream or a CCL without barring isn't even close to what I consider a "golden" duckwing.
Here's my idea of what one should look like and I'm stumped exactly what causes the brighter pattern.
Any ideas on this ones genetics?

 

[nicalandia]

The problem with nailing them down is that there's different ideas of what they are. That can be seen with the pics OP has posted.

That is correct, but he needs a starting point. And as to what constitutes what is the correct golden color tone? it would be entirely up to the breeder and SOP. I for one really like the diluted color of the cream light brown dutch bantams.

Recessive Autosomal cream is the ticket here because it breeds true and by breeding for lighter or richer tones of cream he can dial down/up the color intensity! Otherwise how else is he going to create true breeding stock? if true breeding is not of concern then by all means crossing Light Brown Leghorns with Silver Leghorns is advised.!


I personally like the Blue Cream Light Brown phenotype:

Here a Picture of Cream Light Brown Dutch Bantam rooster(top) and Blue Cream Light Brown Dutch Bantam rooster

 

[OhZark Biddies]

... I will be posting two ways on how true breeding golden duckwing leghorn can and have been created!

I'm just following along and have nothing to contribute, but just for my clarification I see described above one way to create true breeding golden duckwing (from post #43)
"...you need to introduce in your light brown leghorns ...the cream gene..."

What was the other way that true breeding golden duckwings have been created?

 

[nicalandia]

I'm just following along and have nothing to contribute, but just for my clarification I see described above one way to create true breeding golden duckwing (from post #43)
"...you need to introduce in your light brown leghorns ...the cream gene..."

What was the other way that true breeding golden duckwings have been created?

Thanks for pointing that out, I ran out of time the first post.

The other way is to introduce dominant autosomal Champagne Blonde(Cb) gene.

In the 1950's the renown team of Dr. John Albert Brumbaugh and Dr. Willard Fisher Hollander worked to decipher what was the Genotype of the Self Buff phenotype on chickens, they focused on the Buff Minorca, they found two types of diluters, one of them when isolated on a pure wildtype(duckwing red jungle fowl) was described as "similar to Golden Duckwing" and given the name Champagne Blonde, here is the article: http://www.chickencolours.com/Genetics of Buff Brum&Holl.pdf

I believe the gene can be segregated again from a line fo Buff Leghorns with substantial breeding ofcourse.

For reference here I post the experiments carried by Danne Honour(On creating Buff long tails, the page has long been taken down, but with the help of the wayback machine we can all learn) http://web.archive.org/web/20060208033027/http://www.panopliageneticus.com/testmatingwheaten.html

Now what is neat too is that on the Buff phenotype studied in both Leghorns(by Danne Honour) and the team of Brumbaugh and Hollander is that both segregate two diluters, Champagne blonde and Dilute, both of which are dominant and could prove helpful in created self-breeding Golden Duckwing phenotype, that is if you don't have access to recessive cream donors like cream light brown dutch bantams or Cream Legbars.!

 

[nicalandia]

Aside from the outstanding work of Brumbaugh and Hollander, the work of Danne Honour(the one referenced here) are the only documented references of Champagne Blond(Cb) and Dilute(Di), Many years ago I tried to segregate them using a line of gold based Birchen(the roo was clearly ER/eb due to the F1 produced), I go to the BC2 stage but could not isolate it!

I would like to also point out the Danne Honour experiment is for reference only as the final goal of the breeding project was to obtain Self Buff Longtails from Self Buff Leghorns and not to isolate the Cb or Di.

 

[nicalandia]

I would like to point out that a third way of producing true breeding Golden Duckwing phenotype exist(Going by the second picture posted by the OP wich is more of a traditional Golden Duckwing) and I am inclined to believe that is what the USA breeders are doing to produce true breeding golden duckwing because any cream line based USA leghorns(ig/ig) are unlikely and any stand alone Cb/Cb and Di/Di based Leghorns highly improbable.

And straight forward to breed for, infact it becomes truly troublesome for breeders of the clean silver duckwing lines, this is backed by the outstanding work of Brian Reeder on the discovery of Autosomal Red(Ap, Autosomal Pheomelanin).

References:

The Genetic Factors of Silver Phenotypes by Brian Reeder: http://brianreederbreeder.blogspot.com/

The Other Type of Gold (Red) by Grant Brereton (Breeder of outstanding Sex linked Chocolate lines inherited from the late Dr. Clive Carefoot): https://poultrykeeper.com/poultry-breeding/the-other-type-of-gold-red/

Basically do the oposite of what Silver Leghorns breeders are breeding for, it has work for breeds like the Silver based Faverolles and Silver based Sulmtalers. But start by outcrossing with rich colored light brown leghorn or if possible with American Dark Brown Leghorns.

Sulmtaler rooster: The poster boy for true breeding Golden Duckwing Phenotype(yeah I know that they are wheaten based and only the males can be considered Duckwing as far as phenotype goes, but that is all we have to highlight the point I am trying to get across)



Now that you have been given three ways on achieving your goals of true breeding Golden Ducking Leghorns(because if that´s not the case then doing it the old way is much easier) select the one that you are more comfortable with and take it from there, you can always ask more questions on this thread or p.m me for more info.

 

[Miami Leghorn]

First what is going on with the European true breeding golden duckwings!

These birds are your basic light brown leghorns(e+/e+ s+/s+ co+/co+ mh+/mh+) but with autosomal recessive cream gene(ig/ig) I am not going to go in the the history on how cream ig/ig was introduced in to light brown leghorns but I would like to point out that Professor Punnett received blue egg laying crested Chilean hens from botanist Clarence Elliott in 1929. One of these hens led to Professor Punnett’s monumental discovery of the recessive cream color in poultry in 1931.


So what you need to introduce in your light brown leghorns is the cream gene from a donor with a very similar type to leghorns(just can't find them here in the USA), lucky for you the Cream Legbars have made their way to the USA, now bee in the look out for quality stock as some "cream Legbars" lines have been badly bred and even outcrossed.


here are pics of outstanding quality Cream Legbars

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having found a good donor pair, what you need to start doing is crossing your best leghorn rooster to a quality CLB hen, this will produce F1 pullets that are none barred and carry one copy of autosomal recessive cream(Ig+/ig) taking it from there should be really straight forward.

Sorry for the late response. But,great feedback I'm getting here!
So the CLB hen with a Light Brown Leghorn Rooster?