Easter Egger hen/Sapphire roo?

[Diannastarr]

I've not worked with Naked Necks, so I'm not familiar with the genetics for the naked neck and its dominance.

The CL crest does seem to be dominant, at least to the first generation, unfortunately I sold or lost that first generation (raccoon), so I can't comment on the F2 dominance for that crest. I'm having to restart my CL x Barnevelder project with a new CL pullet (raccoon again), so it'll take me a year or so before I'll know what F2 looks like.

But I was encouraged thus far that the crest is dominant, as it has been in my offspring and the offspring of my buyers (who sent back photos per my request for tracking).

But as to the neck feathers....no idea. That will take test breeding on your part.

As to the egg color. You would like blue eggs vs. green eggs.

You will need to work with the lightest eggs from your Turken hens bred to your CL rooster and only set those. Then see what happens. Then take the truest blues. For egg color focus, the fastest way would be to breed back to the CL and keep working for blue. Eventually that brown wash will breed out. Don't be surprised if you get some throw backs as the brown wash genetics covers about 13 genes, some dominant and some recessive.

That would be the way I'd do it for color, however, getting color AND body type together could put you at odds. Turken (and necked neck) will always bring brown wash back in, CL (and crest) will possibly bring in neck feathers.

Good luck!

LofMc

o gosh this is so wonderful, thank you for your reply so very much...! ,i felt as much about the blue verses green eggs & the lightest color egg layer in the NN s Then take the truest blue ones to hatch & continue on with them , but the most important , i dont want to loose the heat resistance of the NN , im going for the most heat resistant bird possible, so maybe just getting to that point is the major point & if the crest is lost its ok, then keep heading towards all the other possibilities, but thank you so very much for your help..!!!!! So sorry you lost your birds to coons, gosh ..? but as far as the NN goes i have a few friends that are into the NN and they have been very helpful..! i wish you all the best of luck and keep those coons away...!!! take care and thanks again

 

[Lady of McCamley]

o gosh this is so wonderful, thank you for your reply so very much...! ,i felt as much about the blue verses green eggs & the lightest color egg layer in the NN s Then take the truest blue ones to hatch & continue on with them , but the most important , i dont want to loose the heat resistance of the NN , im going for the most heat resistant bird possible, so maybe just getting to that point is the major point & if the crest is lost its ok, then keep heading towards all the other possibilities, but thank you so very much for your help..!!!!! So sorry you lost your birds to coons, gosh ..? but as far as the NN goes i have a few friends that are into the NN and they have been very helpful..! i wish you all the best of luck and keep those coons away...!!! take care and thanks again

Lots to learn with your project. I think you are smart to introduce blue in the first generation then focus on breeding back to the NN for type. Once you've got the blue gene instilled, it should stay if you keep track and set lots to allow for the 50/50 blue in F2. Then F3 should look more Turken and secure the blue. At that point it is setting egg color with possible CL refreshes.

Be sure to take photos and keep us updated with your project.

 

[Diannastarr]

Lots to learn with your project. I think you are smart to introduce blue in the first generation then focus on breeding back to the NN for type. Once you've got the blue gene instilled, it should stay if you keep track and set lots to allow for the 50/50 blue in F2. Then F3 should look more Turken and secure the blue. At that point it is setting egg color with possible CL refreshes.

Be sure to take photos and keep us updated with your project.

thanks so much & YES indeed thats how i was thinking was the best way to go , then take a breath to see whats coming out in the F3 group they should be the NN type with great blue eggs..!!!i HA, but if not then try try again...!!

 

[Diannastarr]

@Lasher Meadows ...and at risk of beating a dead horse here...

We haven't talked about combs, yet.

Your Sapphire boy should be single comb. WL and CL are both single comb, and both of those breeds are known for pretty floppy big single combs...that can add some funk to the equations below.

Your EE hens are probably pea comb (especially since the pea comb and blue gene is closely related on the chromosome). I'm making the assumption that Ameraucana (American style) are in the background of your EEs, since Araucana are not often used (being much rarer)...Ameraucana EE hybrid will bring in beard/muff and pea combs, and often willow legs. (American style Araucana are single comb, rumpless...which is dominant...and tufted...which is not dominant but lethal to 25% of the chicks who receive it)....so let's make life easier and presume Ameraucana in the EE's...OP can confirm if she's got muff/beard, pea comb and willow leg EE's....or single comb yellow leg (which makes calculations really easy...see at far bottom).

Pea comb is dominant (as is rose comb, but we will eliminate any rose comb genes unless you have any walnut comb EE's). i like your EE pea comb info..!!! very good..!!!

We won't know the pea comb genes in your EE's, but if they are showing pea comb, you can assume they have one P in the 2 slots, with probably no-pea in the other (since the EE is a hybrid usually to a layer type, often a single comb type as production layers are usually used for production quality of the EE eggs).

Doing the math with that Ameraucana hybrid EE, you'll get 50% peacombed offspring if you use a single comb rooster...however with the large WL/CL type combs, I suspect you'll get some funk in those combs...weirdly large pea combs...sort of pea sort of single flop. You will also get 50% single comb offspring, varying single comb sizes.

As said before, crests tend to be dominant, however, the beard and muff often fades away the second generation away from the original Ameraucana...so you'll likely get crested but not bearded or muffed offspring.

Leg color is the hardest. Yellow is sort of dominant, but so is the darker leg grey (at least what I've seen in my flock). With the EE willow leg/yellow leg, and the WL/CL yellow leg, I should think you'll get mostly yellow legs....but leg color can surprise you. The genetics for that aren't fully understood yet. I matched a Cal Grey hen (with yellow leg front black wash) to a Barnevelder rooster (yellow leg) and got grey legged offspring.

Your CL/WL body type is lighter (from both sides) and your EE's will vary depending upon their genetic make up. *Usually* a heavier bird bred to a lighter bird produces offspring sort of in the middle, but you'll get a variety of body types....none of these will be meat birds....they should be excellent layers though.

..and to follow up if you are using EE/EE hybrids, you'll likely have single or pea combs and yellow legs with no beards or muffs, and tailed.

HTH
LofMc

 

[Diannastarr]