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[pips&peeps]

I wanted to share one last item. I have learned from the prominent breeders of the club, that the only time you want to breed a white rooster over another color would be to improve only the white variety, and you would breed a white rooster over black hens/pullets only. All offspring would be black, then you keep breeding those resulting pullets to a another white rooster or the same one and the second generation would result in some white birds. Then you have to go through another year of hatching to make sure all offspring were white to have real ameraucanas.

The reason for doing it would be to improve egg color or body type.

 

[EweSheep]

I crossed a white roo from Mike Gilbert lines over the Blehm lines of black, blues and buffs and I got beautiful offsprings.....almost ALL of them were either blues, black, birchen and blue wheatons or blue body with gold neck feathers. They all shared the typey conformation and correct leg color except for ONE buff ginger who she got olive green eggs (shes a pet)....her offsprings with green olive legs were all sold off as EE bantams even they got purebred true Amercuana blood, no EE's in thier background for at least four to six generations.

I think it all depends on the white rooster's genetic background even his parents and grandparents were all pure whites.

 

[User48]

I did notice on her current "white" listing that she specifically mentions that the white roo on her site is the same white roo as appears on the official Ameraucana club site. I took a peek and, sure enough, he's there. As she pointed out, she wasn't "lifting" the picture, but it was her actual roo. I guess she has a mix of "pure" Ameraucanas & EEs. It seems that her excellent customer service is another factor that causes folks to buy from her...

 

[Ron]

I thought it was a very considerate message. She obviously cares about the success her customers have and it was very commendable of her to be up front with you! Gee, you seem awfully sensitive!

 

[pips&peeps]

I crossed a white roo from Mike Gilbert lines over the Blehm lines of black, blues and buffs and I got beautiful offsprings.....almost ALL of them were either blues, black, birchen and blue wheatons or blue body with gold neck feathers

I would have to respectfully disagree with you on that. There is no way on earth that you could get a blue wheaten bird out of that cross. It may have looked similar, but genetically it could not be a blue wheaten. Birchen is not a recognized purebred color and gold neck feathers is not acceptable either. They may have been beautiful, but at that point in time they are no longer considered purebred.

My point is, if you mix colors or ee's and ameraucanas they will not breed true; and that is one of the main descriptions of a "purebred" animal.

Also, yes it is the same rooster on the photos pages of the Ameraucana web site, but I believe someone else owned the bird when it was added to the site. My buff hen and rooster are displayed there too.

As a member of the Ameraucana Breeders Club I feel it is my duty to promote and improve the breed. Even if I am just trying to educate people of the "standards".

 

[mustangsaguaro]

As a member of the Ameraucana Breeders Club I feel it is my duty to promote and improve the breed. Even if I am just trying to educate people of the "standards".

Thank you for this statement Jean. I have learned a lot from you today in conversing in emails w/ you. And you have been so generous w/ your time w/ me. I want to be as educated as possible about this breed so I don't make the same mistakes again. For example prior to today I didn't know you had to breed like color to like color w/ the exception of the blues/blacks and wheatens/blue wheatens. I think in order to keep this breed true there are so many misconceptions of what can be bred to what and us newbies make a lot of mistakes. I am sure you were there once to Jean. Once I get my flock established I want to make sure I don't misrepresent myself which it seems a lot of people on these auction sites do. When I was looking at eggs to buy I thought I was asking all the right questions, which I obviously wasn't. Needless to say lesson learned.​

 

[sara]

Also, yes it is the same rooster on the photos pages of the Ameraucana web site, but I believe someone else owned the bird when it was added to the site.

I was going to say that. Reading her listing it says she bought that cock, and some hens at a show.​

 

[EweSheep]

I wished my camera cable was found and I would take some pics of the offsprings by a white roo with blue, black and laced buff Amercuanas. I am not definately NOT sure what color I would classify but it is mostly blue all over with some buff overlays in their neck feathers...those are pullets.

Here are the pics of the birds I had and still have those hens:
Here is the pic of the white rooster:

My three hens, the blue, buff pencilled(she was a product of a buff roo x blue wheaton hen) and a black hen.

This one would considered to be an EE and not be used for breeding TRUE Amercuana but EE Bantams. She was a throwback and even her parents were from PURE Blehm lines and I contacted Mr Blehm himself and he said he would not classify her as a true Amercuana even her parents were of mixed colors but true Amercuanas....he told me to enjoy her which I did LOL!

All of the pullets have NOT been exposed to any other roosters except for this white roo and I have hatched out several batches, about five or six of them, NOT one ever turned white but plenty of smokey blues, dark blues and blacks and a few splashes. Later in the year when my buff pencilled hen started laying, she produced some birchens colored....black bodies with laced neck feathers and some odd colored of buff and black and whites...almost calico...never kept any of her offsprings tho and I gave them away as EE bantams.

 

[pips&peeps]

Most people wanting real ameraucanas and choosing not to get ee's want a chicken that meets the breed standard or APA guideline as an ameraucana.

Why would someone pay extra for what is supposed to be quality breeding and end up getting mixed colored birds?

If all colors were accepted there would not be a label for ee's.

 

[Chickens4Lu]

Oh my goodness. WHAT in the wide world of chickens? O.k. Let me wade thru this.

Kim, I explained to you exactly why I didn’t recommend you bidding on this week’s auction. 1) you already have another batch of eggs setting; 2) you want me to delay shipment. 3) you are not the person incubating these eggs, but rather your friend. I guarantee my eggs. One of the reasons I can guarantee my eggs is because I work so closely with my customers. Your neighbor is not a customer. I would be out of the loop. I would not guarantee these eggs because of this reason. Those are the red flags I speak of: Setting different age eggs, delaying ship, me out of the loop.

ALL of our conversations have been friendly and I’ve tried to be very accommodating. As far as how I knew you were setting another batch of eggs, I checked your feedback. I always check feedback. I would guess most sellers do the same. I also check feedback of folks I buy from. It is simply common sense. I check feedback of bidders, buyers, and folks that ask questions. I am a seller who guarantees her eggs. I need to know who I’m working with and particularly am interested if they have recently purchased other sales. And, no, it’s not because I want you to buy from only me. The impression you had given me up to this point is that you were a beginner. I work with beginners a lot. It’s a ton of fun, I enjoy chatting with them, and enjoy the excitement they have over their first hatch. You wouldn’t believe how many customers I’m still in touch with that bought eggs last year.. and the year before that. It’s wonderful. However, in being beginners and not realizing it matters, sometimes these folks get excited and buy up a bunch of eggs that arrive at different times, etc. MOST OF THE TIME THEY HAVE ONE INCUBATOR.. The eggs start arriving. I help them with my eggs AND the other eggs. All goes well until the first batch reach day 18. Then.. they have a problem. A problem that I saw coming and prepared them for to the best of my ability.. but.. they still have a problem. A problem that had I known BEFORE they purchased my eggs, I would have stopped them. But.. too late. They have one incubator and different age eggs now about to hatch. What to do about the humidity? What to do about the newborn wet chicks bumping the two week old eggs around like bowling balls? Mushy chicks, sticky chicks, chicks stuck in shells, etc. Folks, if you’ve hatched before you see the problem. As a seller I try to see things like this coming and warn my customers. I just did the very same thing w/ another customer that recently bid on my eggs. He was grateful for the heads up. I do this fairly often.

(Note to the poster who says he hatches all the time different age eggs in one ‘bator. Good for you! You obviously know what you are doing. However, I’ve found this poses a problem for most beginners.)

Kim, I’m truly sorry my answer to your note this morning upset you so terribly you felt the need to speak of it on a message board. I do see you e-mailed me this a.m. Had you given me time, I’d be responding to that note now.. instead of here defending myself and reputation to folks I don’t know. (I am a homeschooling mom of three.. one of which is a special needs child. My life like most mom's is very busy. My "office hours" re my egg sales are usually 6 to midnight every day. Though I generally do TRY to answer during the day also, especially when folks have questions about current hatches, I simply did not get to your e-mail until an hour ago.) In any event, I can assure you I do everything humanly possible to help my customers get a good hatch. Even if it means telling them to wait to bid on my eggs.

Now, on to the question from littlefeet-4. Hi Littlefeet. Thanks for the heads up re this discussion going on. You folks can not imagine my surprise at finding all these posts over here! LOL! Anyway, I have three pens of Ameraucana. Two are mixed color pens. They are pure bred Ameraucana but are not being bred true to color which is represented thru out my sale via words and pictures. One of my pens is an all white pen. The rooster and two of my white hens were purchased from shows. Two of the other white hens I have are from my white rooster bred to other color hens that produced white chicks. These two white pullets are now being bred back to the rooster. I state this very thing on my sale and in large red letters say some of the chicks may hatch out other then white.

As with all of my breeds when someone inquires as to show quality I always, always direct them to the APA or if I have the address, specific club sites. I don’t tout my eggs as show quality, but do mention on my Ameraucana sale that Captain Jack is a show quality bird. He is a pretty thing and I am thrilled to have him. I purchased him as a beautiful young cockerel and he has further blossomed into an awesome rooster. He has sired some beautiful chicks. Having said that, I do not sell my eggs as being show quality. Again, when someone e-mails they are interested in show quality/show birds I send them to the specific breed site. I just sent someone yesterday.. or the day before to a breed site. Another seller had sent her to me claiming I had show quality birds. I told her I did not, and pointed her to the breed site.

Now.. on to the infamous picture of Captain Jack. Oh my GOODNESS. This picture has caused so much controversy! It’s really amazing. Anyway... here we go: The picture is of my rooster, Captain Jack. I took the picture. He was not owned by someone else when the picture was taken or posted on the Ameraucana site. I took the picture in my back yard. He was owned by me, the picture was taken by me, and it is simply being used as an example of a white Ameraucana rooster. I would not use someone else’s photographs on my sales. I took this picture last year in my back yard of my chicken Captain Jack. I didn’t beg, borrow, steal, or other wise obtain it in some clandestine manner. :0) I LIKE taking pictures of my chickens! I sell greeting cards in local shops featuring pictures of my chickens. I've even sold a few on e-bay.

O.k. My lands. It seems I have once again lived up to my reputation of being a tad WORDY. Sorry for this very looooong first (and last) post of Lu. I did feel the need to respond. However, I think in the future my energy will be better spent working with my customers on their hatches. If you want to e-mail me, please do. I’ll try to answer as soon as I can. I would appreciate it if you have some sort of problem or question concerning me to simply e-mail me about it. Thanks for your time. I know this was a lot to read. Yes... I know.. wordy wordy wordy! :0) Cindy Lou (Thank you again, Littlefeet.)