Electric wire help!

[The Phantom]

Not sure what you're asking. If the animal is touching the metal poles (that are touching the ground) and touching the electric fence, he would be shocked.

If you put a metal rod in the ground and touch it to the electric (no insulator), you're just going to have a huge electricity bill every month because your electricity's going to waste.

If the animal touches the wire while on my pen will it get shocked. (Wire is attached to metal poles
with insulators next to the pen. The poles are in the ground. Like this picture.

 

[sylviethecochin]

If the animal touches the wire while on my pen will it get shocked. (Wire is attached to metal poles
with insulators next to the pen. The poles are in the ground. Like this picture. View attachment 1441392

Yep. So long as the pen is touching the ground.

 

[The Phantom]

Yep. So long as the pen is touching the ground.

Ok. Even if the animal is on the pen right? And the pen is on the ground.

 

[The Phantom]

That would be easier to setup than insulating the wire on the pen and running ground wire right?

 

[Howard E]

perhaps this will help......?

Note.....in the video, they use special ground rods driven into the soil to establish a ground contact for the fencer. You can do the same thing by connecting the ground to a woven wire fence held up by steel T posts. In fact, that is the ground rod system I am using for one of my fencers.

If you do it that way, any animal climbing on the woven wire fence is grounded....just the same as they would be if standing on the soil as the horses and cows are in the video.

Again, basic idea is hot wire (+), negative or ground wire (-) and animal is the switch in the middle that completes the circuit.

Also, in the video, shocking pulse down the line appears to be a constant flow. In reality, it more closely resembles the blinking lights on a christmas tree. Short bursts vs. a constant flow.

 

[The Phantom]

perhaps this will help......?

Note.....in the video, they use special ground rods driven into the soil to establish a ground contact for the fencer. You can do the same thing by connecting the ground to a woven wire fence held up by steel T posts. In fact, that is the ground rod system I am using for one of my fencers.

If you do it that way, any animal climbing on the woven wire fence is grounded....just the same as they would be if standing on the soil as the horses and cows are in the video.

Again, basic idea is hot wire (+), negative or ground wire (-) and animal is the switch in the middle that completes the circuit.

Also, in the video, shocking pulse down the line appears to be a constant flow. In reality, it more closely resembles the blinking lights on a christmas tree. Short bursts vs. a constant flow.

Ok. So in order for the wire to shock an animal on my pen, it needs to have a ground wire?

 

[Howard E]

This is all explained in the video, starting around the 30 second mark.

So again, from the electric fencer, you have a hot wire side (the red or + side) and a negative side (green or - side). Again, study the video as many times as needed to understand the process.

The fencer creates an electric pulse that it sends down the hot wire side. To get a shock, and animal must touch the hot wire while at the same time, being in connection with something that is grounded.....or tied back to the fencers ground wire side (the green terminal).

This can be many things.......the ground.....literally the soil you are standing upon, or a standard woven wire fence if it is held up by steel T posts that are driven into the ground.

In either case, if the animal touches the hot wire, while standing on the ground, or touching the woven wire fence that is also grounded, the animal will act like a switch and the high voltage current will flow through the animal, which will be felt by the animal as a painful electric shock.

If you are still interested in setting up such a system, your best bet at this point will be to go ahead and purchase the fence charger, then follow the directions to setup a simple system and it will all become very clear in short order.

 

[ChickenCanoe]

This is all explained in the video, starting around the 30 second mark.

So again, from the electric fencer, you have a hot wire side (the red or + side) and a negative side (green or - side). Again, study the video as many times as needed to understand the process.

The fencer creates an electric pulse that it sends down the hot wire side. To get a shock, and animal must touch the hot wire while at the same time, being in connection with something that is grounded.....or tied back to the fencers ground wire side (the green terminal).

This can be many things.......the ground.....literally the soil you are standing upon, or a standard woven wire fence if it is held up by steel T posts that are driven into the ground.

In either case, if the animal touches the hot wire, while standing on the ground, or touching the woven wire fence that is also grounded, the animal will act like a switch and the high voltage current will flow through the animal, which will be felt by the animal as a painful electric shock.

If you are still interested in setting up such a system, your best bet at this point will be to go ahead and purchase the fence charger, then follow the directions to setup a simple system and it will all become very clear in short order.

Bless you Howard for your efforts to explain this. Good job.

Putting it in simplest terms, there is hot and ground.
Simultaneously touching an energized conductor and touching ground will hurt.

Simultaneously touching anything conductive that is in contact with an energized conductor and ground will do the same.

Simultaneously touching an energized conductor and anything grounded, will hurt.

Standing on ground, touching any conductive element such as metal that touches anything grounded or even a blade of grass and simultaneously touch any energized conductor, you'll be zapped.

There are resistors and conductors. But degrees of conductivity vary.
Perhaps study this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_resistivity_and_conductivity

 

[Howard E]

CC:

Thanks for the comments. I was involved in some advanced adult educations stuff for about 20 years, and in doing so, learned a variety of ways to help convey ideas and concepts. I also learned to be very patient with folks, as not everyone picked up on stuff at the same pace. So thanks........ I try (and often try like a steer).

One addition concept about electric fences that often gets missed.......and it is an important one. It is the HOT wire that establishes the boundary no animal wants cross. They find/locate it by touching it, but they can also see it and some say then can sense it's presence. Either by sound or even by some sensory method we don't feel or understand. But whatever the case, they begin to recognize where the location of this thing is and are loath to get near it or cross the boundary the hot wire creates.

So the goal when setting up this fence is to place the hot wire part of the fence in such a place and in such a way to make it nearly certain the target animal will find it / touch it. Indeed, make it almost impossible to avoid, and with varmints, tricks and cheating, like baiting the wire, are allowed.

Once they get the bajeezers blasted out of them, very few will come back to risk getting another dose. There is nothing I can think of that will come anywhere close to that level of deterrent. And the best part is, after you have gone to the trouble of setting it up, it requires very little effort on your part for it to work. Always on guard 24/7, day and night, rain or shine. Does not hurt the animal (they run away.......not walk.....RUN away). And don't come back.

 

[The Phantom]

Ok I think I finally got it figured out!
Thankyou you for helping me out!!!