EMERGENCY! egg bound!!!

[YWoody]

Thank you for all of that info; I know very little about their nutritional requirements except for protein & calcium.
Here are pics of the 2 feeds that I mix (2 to 1, 2 parts Layer) for my quail: along with the analysis tags.

 

[YWoody]

UPDATE on Myrtle & more questions...
First I want to thank you all for the all answers, suggestions & feedback during our emergency last night.
I sooooo appreciate you all!
As of right now, Myrtle is resting in a darkened, warm room in my house. She is doing very well (considering all that she has just been through). She is drinking her water (with Drench liquid poultry vitamins & a bit of sugar added). I have not observed her eating yet but she is being social and responding well to me when I talk to her, lifting her head high, grooming, standing upright, fluffing her feathers, all her normal behaviors. When I'm not in here with her, she seems to just sit in the corner of kennel resting.
The BEST NEWS is that her prolapsed cloacal has remained inside of her, thus far; (praying that she doesn't lay an egg). She has very loose liquid poop, but I assume this is related to the subcutaneous fluids the vet injected in her, they said what she didn't absorb would just come out in her poop.

My questions are about some interventions that I'm on the fence about....
The vet sent me home with 2 medications that she said I could "choose" to start today...
1) A nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory (NSAID) Rx ("Metacam")
2) An Antibiotic Rx (sulfamethoxazole and trimethoprim).
In humans, both are hard on the gut and kidneys, NSAIDs have been shown (in humans) to actually delay healing. And I could go on all day about the risks associated with antibiotics. (they also advised not eating her eggs for a total of 8 weeks after finishing medications). My thoughts are that her cloacal was very clean after doing 2 Epsom's salt soaks and I applied organic coconut oil (which is antibacterial) after each soak. Also in the vets office they rinsed the tissue with sterile Dextrose fluid before pushing it back in.
Can I ask you all's opinions about this please?
What would you guys do? Would you give her these pharmaceutical interventions and if not, what would you do instead? And if yes, what is your rationale?

 

[CliftonQuail]

UPDATE on Myrtle & more questions...
First I want to thank you all for the all answers, suggestions & feedback during our emergency last night.
I sooooo appreciate you all!
As of right now, Myrtle is resting in a darkened, warm room in my house. She is doing very well (considering all that she has just been through). She is drinking her water (with Drench liquid poultry vitamins & a bit of sugar added). I have not observed her eating yet but she is being social and responding well to me when I talk to her, lifting her head high, grooming, standing upright, fluffing her feathers, all her normal behaviors. When I'm not in here with her, she seems to just sit in the corner of kennel resting.
The BEST NEWS is that her prolapsed cloacal has remained inside of her, thus far; (praying that she doesn't lay an egg). She has very loose liquid poop, but I assume this is related to the subcutaneous fluids the vet injected in her, they said what she didn't absorb would just come out in her poop.

My questions are about some interventions that I'm on the fence about....
The vet sent me home with 2 medications that she said I could "choose" to start today...
1) A nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory (NSAID) Rx ("Metacam")
2) An Antibiotic Rx (sulfamethoxazole and trimethoprim).
In humans, both are hard on the gut and kidneys, NSAIDs have been shown (in humans) to actually delay healing. And I could go on all day about the risks associated with antibiotics. (they also advised not eating her eggs for a total of 8 weeks after finishing medications). My thoughts are that her cloacal was very clean after doing 2 Epsom's salt soaks and I applied organic coconut oil (which is antibacterial) after each soak. Also in the vets office they rinsed the tissue with sterile Dextrose fluid before pushing it back in.
Can I ask you all's opinions about this please?
What would you guys do? Would you give her these pharmaceutical interventions and if not, what would you do instead? And if yes, what is your rationale?

@Nabiki and @007Sean are much better sources of information than me, but here goes my two cents.
For the reasons that you outline, I would personally avoid the NSAIDs and antibiotics. I wouldn't want to give her anything that would make her eggs unusable for 8 weeks after the treatment. I'd keep her in the dark for a while to reduce the likelihood of her laying and monitor her eating/drinking/pooping. Continue offering NutriDrench water, but also offer plain water in a separate container. The feed combination you're using seems good to me, but maybe she has issues absorbing the calcium as provided in that feed. I'd get some calcium citrate powder to add, just in case.

 

[YWoody]

@Nabiki and @007Sean are much better sources of information than me, but here goes my two cents.
For the reasons that you outline, I would personally avoid the NSAIDs and antibiotics. I wouldn't want to give her anything that would make her eggs unusable for 8 weeks after the treatment. I'd keep her in the dark for a while to reduce the likelihood of her laying and monitor her eating/drinking/pooping. Continue offering NutriDrench water, but also offer plain water in a separate container. The feed combination you're using seems good to me, but maybe she has issues absorbing the calcium as provided in that feed. I'd get some calcium citrate powder to add, just in case.

Thank You very much for your "two cents", I appreciate it! I will put just plain water in her kennel as well.
I have obtained some Calcium Citrate and sprinkled some over her feed. (forgot to mention that).
Do you think I should wait on the Calcium Citrate and only add that if another problem arises?

 

[Kiki]

Yes, you are likely correct about the egg, she has laid a double yolk before, only it was not this big.
I will send pic of feed analysis when I get home, or in the morning. But it's a mix of Purina feeds; I mix 2 parts Game Bird Layer feed with one part Game Bird Starter feed.
According to local breeder that is ideal; but I would welcome you guys feedback.

Without looking at the exact feeds you're using I would say I would not be mixing it. I would be only feeding the layer type fee if I were you.

 

[Kiki]

Can you all give feedback about odds of recurrence. I'm concerned that this may happen again tomorrow of course, because she lays every day & since the vet believes its just genetics so there is nothing I can change. Does anyone have experience with this happening? and can I hope for full recovery of my hen?

I've never had it happen so hopefully it's not something that happens for you often.

 

[Kiki]

Thank you for all of that info; I know very little about their nutritional requirements except for protein & calcium.
Here are pics of the 2 feeds that I mix (2 to 1, 2 parts Layer) for my quail: along with the analysis tags.

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I would feed only the game bird layer if I were you.

 

[Kiki]

UPDATE on Myrtle & more questions...
First I want to thank you all for the all answers, suggestions & feedback during our emergency last night.
I sooooo appreciate you all!
As of right now, Myrtle is resting in a darkened, warm room in my house. She is doing very well (considering all that she has just been through). She is drinking her water (with Drench liquid poultry vitamins & a bit of sugar added). I have not observed her eating yet but she is being social and responding well to me when I talk to her, lifting her head high, grooming, standing upright, fluffing her feathers, all her normal behaviors. When I'm not in here with her, she seems to just sit in the corner of kennel resting.
The BEST NEWS is that her prolapsed cloacal has remained inside of her, thus far; (praying that she doesn't lay an egg). She has very loose liquid poop, but I assume this is related to the subcutaneous fluids the vet injected in her, they said what she didn't absorb would just come out in her poop.

My questions are about some interventions that I'm on the fence about....
The vet sent me home with 2 medications that she said I could "choose" to start today...
1) A nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory (NSAID) Rx ("Metacam")
2) An Antibiotic Rx (sulfamethoxazole and trimethoprim).
In humans, both are hard on the gut and kidneys, NSAIDs have been shown (in humans) to actually delay healing. And I could go on all day about the risks associated with antibiotics. (they also advised not eating her eggs for a total of 8 weeks after finishing medications). My thoughts are that her cloacal was very clean after doing 2 Epsom's salt soaks and I applied organic coconut oil (which is antibacterial) after each soak. Also in the vets office they rinsed the tissue with sterile Dextrose fluid before pushing it back in.
Can I ask you all's opinions about this please?
What would you guys do? Would you give her these pharmaceutical interventions and if not, what would you do instead? And if yes, what is your rationale?

I wouldn't medicate her.

 

[Kiki]

We all have our own ways of feeding our birds, but I can tell you without a doubt that my quail do absolutely fine eating a 16% protein chicken crumble layer feed.

I feed the same Purina game bird starter that you do until they are about 5 or 6 weeks old and then I switched them over to the 16% layer feed. My birds are all fine. No issues.
I just recently hatched 3 sets of eggs from my oldest quail's eggs. No issues with any of the chicks.

 

[YWoody]

We all have our own ways of feeding our birds, but I can tell you without a doubt that my quail do absolutely fine eating a 16% protein chicken crumble layer feed.

I feed the same Purina game bird starter that you do until they are about 5 or 6 weeks old and then I switched them over to the 16% layer feed. My birds are all fine. No issues.
I just recently hatched 3 sets of eggs from my oldest quail's eggs. No issues with any of the chicks.

Thank you for taking the time to share your input, I appreciate it