Famous Hatchery 'Pure Bred' Appearances

[MissChick@dee]

So adapt or die. right? A Boston Terrier in the Artic would die clearly. Humans would or could provide enough to have it survive. Your talking about evolution. My whole point is that if you took a breeding stock of any animals out of their country of origin it would not change the breed the breed would adapt or die. Varieties are bred. Adaptive changes is evolution.

 

[MROO]

This makes sense. So, since landrace breeds like the Bresse, Swedish Flower Hen, Ixworth, etc don't have a standard, are they then bred like dogs as in they are strickly pure bred? If you know what I mean..

According to the gal I talked with (I wish I'd thought to get a contact!) True Swedish Flowers are free ranged in the wide-open. Their coops, if they have any, only get closed up at night. Breeding is accomplished in whatever way nature and the head rooster dictate. The only real "selection" done by her family was to decide who was joining them for dinner!

 

[MROO]

So adapt or die. right? A Boston Terrier in the Artic would die clearly. Humans would or could provide enough to have it survive. Your talking about evolution. My whole point is that if you took a breeding stock of any animals out of their country of origin it would not change the breed the breed would adapt or die. Varieties are bred. Adaptive changes is evolution.

It's a tough nut to crack, that's for sure! I think the Swedish lady's point (Jeesh, I don't even remember her name, it was such a brief meeting at a party) was that if people start selecting for what they think the birds should look like, the original type would be swamped by "artificial intervention" and personal opinion I could see her point, but I can also see the point of taking an "overall type" and mainlining it. I guess that's the fine line we, as private breeders walk every day - how to get the best out of our birds without messing with the original intent or purpose of the breed. It's also why this discussion is so informative ... and entertaining!

 

[MROO]

Then you've have that same poor little Boston Terrier who, before freezing to death, goes to an unauthorized party with a local husky-type, their puppies would be different ... and some would survive. The dogs of Balto and Call of the Wild would have a vastly different look, don'cha think?

 

[Redhead Rae]

So adapt or die. right? A Boston Terrier in the Artic would die clearly. Humans would or could provide enough to have it survive. Your talking about evolution. My whole point is that if you took a breeding stock of any animals out of their country of origin it would not change the breed the breed would adapt or die. Varieties are bred. Adaptive changes is evolution.

If the world went to crap and there weren't vets to give c-sections to dogs, Boston terriers and most of the brachycephalic (or smushed nosed) breeds would die out in the current generation. Most bulldogs, pugs, boston terriers, can't give birth naturally because of their head shape. I think that is a horrible thing to do to a breed.

 

[MROO]

If the world went to crap and there weren't vets to give c-sections to dogs, Boston terriers and most of the brachycephalic (or smushed nosed) breeds would die out in the current generation. Most bulldogs, pugs, boston terriers, can't give birth naturally because of their head shape. I think that is a horrible thing to do to a breed.

Agreed. It's too bad they're so dog-gone cute. I had a Shih Tzu who did respectably in the show ring, but I refused to breed her because I wouldn't risk losing her in pup-birth. Sure did tick off a lot o people who wanted a free "pick-of-litter!"

 

[BreanneRN]

So adapt or die. right? A Boston Terrier in the Artic would die clearly. Humans would or could provide enough to have it survive. Your talking about evolution. My whole point is that if you took a breeding stock of any animals out of their country of origin it would not change the breed the breed would adapt or die. Varieties are bred. Adaptive changes is evolution.

My whole point is is that your comment is irrelevant to anything I said and still is... Evolution refers to selective adaptation over a great deal of time. Since a chicken generation can be less than a year, it would not take a great deal of time for a breed of chicken to adapt to a different environment that would favor very different traits from the one it was originally adapted to. And chickens have incredible adaptive abilities.... We can see proof of this in all the vast variety of characteristics the many different kinds can have. Again, I am only addressing the comment made by the Swedish person, who felt that the SOP's of other countries was ruining the Swedish Flower chicken "because as a landrace, it should only be subject to environmental selection". I am not talking about dogs or any other animal.
A landrace is a domesticated, locally adapted, traditional variety of a species of animal or plant that has developed over time, through adaptation to its natural and cultural environment of agriculture and pastoralism, and due to isolation from other populations of the species.
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[MROO]

C'Mon everybody - "play nice." The whole World War thing was a joke, remember?!
And the "Swedish Lady" was not being critical, she was responding to a question. She thought it was pretty cool - and a little humorous - that anyone was interested in them at all. To her, they were just really pretty mongrels!

 

[OhZark Biddies]

The comparable dog would be the basenji.

Basically a land race where a few were taken and then selectively bred, but if you look at what is recognized as a basenji by breeders it’s more standardized than what is still found in the Congo

 

[CannedMonster]

I wonder if the Australian dingo could be considered a landrace?
I know they’re not domesticated but didn’t they come from feral domestic dogs?