Faverolles Thread

[hcammack]

Henry, that last pullet is actually 3/4 Fav and 1/4 EE - that's where the blue is coming from. Not sure if I'm going to use her. I like her darker red coloring but it will depend on how her chicks turn out. I don't really like her darker beard.
I like the red beards myself. Just trying to figure out how to encourage that - keep using the girls with the most red in their beards I suppose. Do you know if the UK has a standard for the Mahoganies?

I am not sure if the UK has a standard for Mahoganies. Come to think of it not even sure they do have mahoganies. Guess we should check with them.

 

[elizmartin]

Eliz,

I am trying to figure out the proper pullet coloring for the mahoganies myself. So far all of my girls start with a dark reddish brown beard that gets lighter as they mature. Here are my oldest two (hatched late Fall 2011):





And here are two from this May:




Would love to hear some others' ideas regarding mahogany coloring in pullets.

HI, Thanks for the pictures....I must try and get pics so we can all talk and think on the same page....Think i agree with some of the others that we are all in a position to decide what kind of coloration may be a good fit for the color.....I will have to look again on my boy but one girl has a solid light chestnut coloration with a white beard. The younger girl is solid, darker chestnut with a chestnut beard and i think i like her better but will try to take pics. All are from Sandhill. I have my biggest,darkest favorite Salmon girl (Kable daughter from Jeanine via Mia) in with to help improve the size conformation. (lousy feet).
The girl you showed with the blue feathers makes me wonder if they have a blue black splash phase too, because they are like the blue feathers on my blue Salmon. eliz

 

[elizmartin]

Yeah the muffs and beards on hens are supposed to be white. I think that might work well for you. Do the roosters have pure black muffs and beards or do they have white speckling? Also where did you get your start up stock?

Hi, There was some talk on this topic quite aways back in this thread and i believe Dick was a part of the discussion. medium dark mahogany backs and black fronts and muffs i believe are what is liked but are most likely to produce darker girls with dark spots and flecks in their beards. Paler hens usually relate to males with pale backs and streaked beards thus why some folks have a male line and a female line for show birds to conform to the SOP coloration. I once had a bantam Roo whose saddle was a dark cream.....
eliz

 

[n8ivetxn]

...and they could be used to produce show cockerels if bred carefully for type and selecting for strong COCKEREL traits... this is a double mated breed in a lot of countries because it is nearly impossible to produce both stunning, blond pullets and bold rich-colored cockerels from the same pen. Girls w/ smutty beards often are grest for making cockerels with better pigment.

Get a good rooster from decent show stock, with excellent color in the weak areas, to cross them to. Cull hard for very specific color issues, and you will most likely see a great deal of improvement in a very short time, especially if you do not carry over the original hatchery stock to the next season. Breed some pullets (plan on making 10 for every one you need), using a superior roo (they contribute a lot and it is often easier to see quality issues w/ the boys). Keep the very best of just the new girls, and sell or give away any birds that do not make the cut. Then breed back the daughters on that same top notch roo, again following the rule of 10 and you will have a pretty decent flock to work with if your roo is of excellent quality... but you cannot get quality within a reasonable amount of time unless you bring it in from somewhere else. Even bringing in a top notch roo to cover the best of your girls, you are looking at 3 to 4 years before you can say you have begun to iron out the kinks in your flock. This will save you a ton of headaches, and allow you to use the birds you have now in a meaningful way... but remember you cannot begin to select for color or size until they are around 10 months old.

Thank you for the words of wisdom

Where or how do I get an SOP - is it exclusively through the club? I don't live close enough to anyone who has better quality birds I can go ogle for comparison

 

[elizmartin]

I'm not breeding them, but I agree with this.

Also, on the males is the white on the wingtips replaced with red?

My boy has a redish neck, black front and beard and his wingtips are a mahogany brown like Barnevelder wings. eliz

 

[sandiklaws]

Thank you for the words of wisdom

Where or how do I get an SOP - is it exclusively through the club? I don't live close enough to anyone who has better quality birds I can go ogle for comparison

you can get an SOP from the APA site or Amazon, the 2010 edition is the most recent and the color version is worth the money. I also recomend this fook to those interested in breeding Salmon Faverolles, I found it has the best explanation on breeding dual mated breeds for exhibition I have ever read... and the pictures are incredible!
http://www.amazon.com/Century-Poultry-Breeding-Grant-Brereton/dp/0947870571

 

[sandiklaws]

Hi, There was some talk on this topic quite aways back in this thread and i believe Dick was a part of the discussion. medium dark mahogany backs and black fronts and muffs i believe are what is liked but are most likely to produce darker girls with dark spots and flecks in their beards. Paler hens usually relate to males with pale backs and streaked beards thus why some folks have a male line and a female line for show birds to conform to the SOP coloration. I once had a bantam Roo whose saddle was a dark cream.....
eliz

yep, I learned it from him

 

[hcammack]

you can get an SOP from the APA site or Amazon, the 2010 edition is the most recent and the color version is worth the money. I also recomend this fook to those interested in breeding Salmon Faverolles, I found it has the best explanation on breeding dual mated breeds for exhibition I have ever read... and the pictures are incredible!
http://www.amazon.com/Century-Poultry-Breeding-Grant-Brereton/dp/0947870571

Yep the SOP is a must have. The 21st century poultry breeding is a very good book. I have it! Great book.

 

[heritagehabitatfarms]

very nice i think this is the 1st time that i have seen a good pic of a Mahogany Fav hen... now where are the rooster pic's lol???

Eliz,

I am trying to figure out the proper pullet coloring for the mahoganies myself. So far all of my girls start with a dark reddish brown beard that gets lighter as they mature. Here are my oldest two (hatched late Fall 2011):





And here are two from this May:




Would love to hear some others' ideas regarding mahogany coloring in pullets.

 

[Fancy Favie]

Thank you for your help I am really wanting to make this work and want really good birds This is my new hobby and I Love my Faverolles but want to have nice birds so i could possibly show or breed good stock there are no Faverolle breeders in my area so i am going to keep looking, Do you know if there will be any birds for sale at the show in Ohio? I am thinking of taking a drive to see what the nationals are all about and once again thank you.