First attempt at incubating

I read it took a gray pearl and slate, I think, (gray)? R2elk would probably know if that's correct. I love waiting and watching all the wonderful colors that come out of the eggs. It's so fun!
It does not require a Pearl Gray to make a Royal Purple. It might be a possibility. There is too little real information about what causes Royal Purple.

I create Royal Purples every year by breeding a Chocolate male to a Coral Blue hen. It may work the other way too. It happens too often for it to be caused by a mutation. I am sure there are other ways to make Royal Purples.
 
I read it took a gray pearl and slate, I think, (gray)? R2elk would probably know if that's correct. I love waiting and watching all the wonderful colors that come out of the eggs. It's so fun!
I’m on some Facebook groups that talk a lot about the genetics of guinea fowl. I’m including a chart made by Dana Manchester (which he says is out of date and needs to be revised), plus a screenshot of Jessica Farmer’s pictorial, which I’m finding most helpful. These sources state the royal purple occurs when a bird has two semi-pearling genes. So, as I understand it, your Pearl Gray could have one or none of the Semi-pearling genes. Using this same system, your Slate is fully pearled but has two attenuate genes. The Slate could have two fully pearled genes or one semi-pearled gene. So, since both PG and Slate are fully pearled, you would only get 25% Royal Purple from them if each had one hidden semi-pearled gene. If either parent is homozygous for fully pearled, then you would get PG keets. If your PG has a hidden attenuate gene, then you would get 1/2 PG and 1/2 Slates.
 

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I’m on some Facebook groups that talk a lot about the genetics of guinea fowl. I’m including a chart made by Dana Manchester (which he says is out of date and needs to be revised), plus a screenshot of Jessica Farmer’s pictorial, which I’m finding most helpful. These sources state the royal purple occurs when a bird has two semi-pearling genes. So, as I understand it, your Pearl Gray could have one or none of the Semi-pearling genes. Using this same system, your Slate is fully pearled but has two attenuate genes. The Slate could have two fully pearled genes or one semi-pearled gene. So, since both PG and Slate are fully pearled, you would only get 25% Royal Purple from them if each had one hidden semi-pearled gene. If either parent is homozygous for fully pearled, then you would get PG keets. If your PG has a hidden attenuate gene, then you would get 1/2 PG and 1/2 Slates.
It isn't that simple. A Royal Purple can have two semi-dotted genes or one semi-dotted gene and a no dotting gene.

I have not seen any proof that a Royal Purple is the gray gene. I do not have the gray gene (dominant) in my flock. I create Royal Purples by breeding a Chocolate male (supposedly 2 recessive buff genes and at least one semi-dotting gene) with a Coral Blue hen (2 recessive blue genes and one semi dotting gene).

My Royal Purple is not the only Royal Purple that I have read about that has been proven to be carrying a recessive blue gene.
 
It isn't that simple. A Royal Purple can have two semi-dotted genes or one semi-dotted gene and a no dotting gene.

I have not seen any proof that a Royal Purple is the gray gene. I do not have the gray gene (dominant) in my flock. I create Royal Purples by breeding a Chocolate male (supposedly 2 recessive buff genes and at least one semi-dotting gene) with a Coral Blue hen (2 recessive blue genes and one semi dotting gene).

My Royal Purple is not the only Royal Purple that I have read about that has been proven to be carrying a recessive blue gene.
Using this genetic system, chocolate would be two semipearled genes and two dark dun genes. Also, it sounds like you are talking about codominance at the semi-pearling allele, but this would be following simple Mendelian genetics, so they would need to be homozygous for semi-Pearling to appear semi-pearled. So, Chocolate would have two dark dun genes and two semipearl genes. Coral blue would have two lavender genes and two semipearl genes. If all other genes were wild type, resulting progeny would be homozygous for semi-pearl, heterozygous for dark dun, and heterozygous for lavender. Because dun and lavender are recessive to wild type (Pearl Gray), phenotypically, they would have the Pearl Gray base color and be semipearled, which would show as Royal Purple. I did find one paper that reports on test breeding for some of this, but it’s older and lacking light dun, attenuate, bronze, pinto, etc. I’ve tried to attach the paper, but am also including a link:

https://academic.oup.com/jhered/article-pdf/87/2/138/6452301/87-2-138.pdf
 

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I shouldn't wade into this w/a migraine,...but doesn't every guinea have gray heritage? Whether I had Blue(RP-semi dotted) and Bella(Br full) or Bella (Br) and Nug(lav-full) - the keets all came out gray. Whichever hen laid her (gray or Lavender, he was BD-full) were pied, she was fully dotted. I used to have pics of her parents but think I deleted.
Well, the original wild guineas that our domesticated birds are from were Pearl Gray and fully pearled or dotted. I think that there a lot of different genes that can impact color of guinea fowl. From what I can tell, most of these genes are recessive though, so you need two copies of the gene to be able to “see” it’s effects. So if Bella was Brown and had two dark dun genes, she needed to breed with a male with dun genes to get keets that are brown. Her keets would have had one dark dun gene and one Pearl Grey. Pearl Gray is dominant so that’s what you see.
 
Well, the original wild guineas that our domesticated birds are from were Pearl Gray and fully pearled or dotted. I think that there a lot of different genes that can impact color of guinea fowl. From what I can tell, most of these genes are recessive though, so you need two copies of the gene to be able to “see” it’s effects. So if Bella was Brown and had two dark dun genes, she needed to breed with a male with dun genes to get keets that are brown. Her keets would have had one dark dun gene and one Pearl Grey. Pearl Gray is dominant so that’s what you see.
The Browns are said to have the buff gene. The buff gene is said to be sex linked. This means that a hen only needs one copy of the buff gene to display the buff/brown/chocolate color but that males need two copies of the gene to display the color.

The first Chocolate keets that I produced were females and they only had one copy of whatever gene the Chocolate actually has.
 
I shldnt have asked that. I was thinking chovolate when I meant brown. But your choc has squiggly as opposed to the solid, and this was a pied?
Not a pied. Chocolate keets have lots of white on them. A Pied Chocolate would have a very narrow strip on the top of its head.

I do not and never have had any Browns.

@red horse ranch has had Browns.
 
Thanks for the info. I have 9 hatched now, waiting on 8. One has its beak sticking out. If it doesn't progress should I help this one? I'm please with their progress so far! They are all pied which surprises me because we have a few different colors.

You have jumbo guineas? How much bigger are they than regular ones?
If the beak is out - it can breath. How long has it been out? I'd suggest posting a pic so gurus can have better idea of it's position and size of hole,but do answer questions. That's a lot of work, so once they pip, they'll rest and continue absorbing yolk. The only issues are if it's positioned wrong or at risk of shrink wrapping. @Mixed flock enthusiast @R2elk @Eggcessive
 
Oh wow, beautiful! You can carry them?! Mine never get close enough.

Here is a pic. The beak is moving. And another pic for fun.
 

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We did it! 14/17 hatched. I am attaching some pics. I am figuring most are pied pearls, but could a few possibly be royal purple? I'm not sure if they have enough white on their wings. Thanks again for everyone's help!
Congratulations!!! Adorable little babies you got there! :love :celebrate

I couldn’t tell for sure, but thought there might be a royal purple in there..:
 

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