Five-month old Australorp suddenly lame. Update: Now another pullet going lame!

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Hi again @azygous. Want to let you know i have just completed re-reading both entire threads encompassing your ongoing ordeal. And also jotted down your stated medical notes. First the "Nanny Su-Su" thread, where you first posted on October 7 when you (at the time) believed that pullet Jules had "substained a serious leg injury." Before i go on, want to say again how wonderful that thread began, with all your delightful descriptions of chicken behaviors and the accompanying photos. Your commentary put a smile on my face today just as it did the first time, even tho you/i/we now know the detour that the initial thread would take. I had the idea to compile a sort of medical record of your observations, much as an actual veterinary record would appear. But with You doing all of the exams, treatments, & written records of course. I have written down, date by date, everything you medically reported, beginning with Jules' symptoms on October 7. (And also noted, same as a veterinary medical record would, that there is a history of lymphoid leucosis in your flock, but no other known chicken diseases). It appears that your pullet's medical records will encompass several pages! At least according to my hand-written hen scratch (harhar). I dont know if it would somehow be helpful to compose a complete concise record or not. But while its all still fresh in my mind, i noticed that the Only treatment you mentioned that seemed to show any obvious lasting improvement was the 5 day treatment of tylan. According to your observations, June seemed to completely recover (as of now). And May seemed to vastly improve during tylan treatment, then quickly took a nose dive immediately after tylan ceased. Also, May seemed to at least temporarily improve several times after you dosed her with nutri-drench. Again, I dont know if any of those observations are ultimately in any way helpful. But i also know that poultry veterinary medicine knowledge is generally way behind compared to companion animal veterinary knowledge. And your detailed observations, treatment and reporting are comparable to the best pet medical records i have ever seen. Whatever the eventual diagnosis & outcome for your pullets, these threads do tend to live on. So i hope your thread will somehow help those in the future faced with similiar symptoms. When i first decided to get chickens, it was Only to have fresh eggs. But then i quickly came to realize that chickens are intelligent, entertaining, & unique in their personalities, among many other special qualities. And anyone who believes otherwise simply isnt paying attention! So thank you again for going to such lengths to try and save "a few ten dollar chickens." And even more thanks for your honest though sometimes dis-heartening reporting. Its an on-going roller-coaster i know. For many of us, their little feathered lives hold comparable value to our also beloved dogs, cats, horses, goats, chinchillas, etc. etc. I hope that somehow May can be healed, & that all three pullets continue their happy lives with their nanny Su-su. Either way, you are providing a great service through this continuing thread. And btw, i still remain utterly fascinated by Su-su's surrogate broody behaviors. 😊
 
Hi again @azygous. Want to let you know i have just completed re-reading both entire threads encompassing your ongoing ordeal. And also jotted down your stated medical notes. First the "Nanny Su-Su" thread, where you first posted on October 7 when you (at the time) believed that pullet Jules had "substained a serious leg injury." Before i go on, want to say again how wonderful that thread began, with all your delightful descriptions of chicken behaviors and the accompanying photos. Your commentary put a smile on my face today just as it did the first time, even tho you/i/we now know the detour that the initial thread would take. I had the idea to compile a sort of medical record of your observations, much as an actual veterinary record would appear. But with You doing all of the exams, treatments, & written records of course. I have written down, date by date, everything you medically reported, beginning with Jules' symptoms on October 7. (And also noted, same as a veterinary medical record would, that there is a history of lymphoid leucosis in your flock, but no other known chicken diseases). It appears that your pullet's medical records will encompass several pages! At least according to my hand-written hen scratch (harhar). I dont know if it would somehow be helpful to compose a complete concise record or not. But while its all still fresh in my mind, i noticed that the Only treatment you mentioned that seemed to show any obvious lasting improvement was the 5 day treatment of tylan. According to your observations, June seemed to completely recover (as of now). And May seemed to vastly improve during tylan treatment, then quickly took a nose dive immediately after tylan ceased. Also, May seemed to at least temporarily improve several times after you dosed her with nutri-drench. Again, I dont know if any of those observations are ultimately in any way helpful. But i also know that poultry veterinary medicine knowledge is generally way behind compared to companion animal veterinary knowledge. And your detailed observations, treatment and reporting are comparable to the best pet medical records i have ever seen. Whatever the eventual diagnosis & outcome for your pullets, these threads do tend to live on. So i hope your thread will somehow help those in the future faced with similiar symptoms. When i first decided to get chickens, it was Only to have fresh eggs. But then i quickly came to realize that chickens are intelligent, entertaining, & unique in their personalities, among many other special qualities. And anyone who believes otherwise simply isnt paying attention! So thank you again for going to such lengths to try and save "a few ten dollar chickens." And even more thanks for your honest though sometimes dis-heartening reporting. Its an on-going roller-coaster i know. For many of us, their little feathered lives hold comparable value to our also beloved dogs, cats, horses, goats, chinchillas, etc. etc. I hope that somehow May can be healed, & that all three pullets continue their happy lives with their nanny Su-su. Either way, you are providing a great service through this continuing thread. And btw, i still remain utterly fascinated by Su-su's surrogate broody behaviors. 😊
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@Allsfairinloveandbugs thank you for the affirmations. It's precisely my intent by recording this experience to help others. Reading actual medical stories about a chicken's illness is much more informative than reading a scientific paper on the illness, symptoms and treatment. It's so much easier to relate to the former. When I do a search, BYC threads come up much more often and are more helpful overall than scientific papers.

If you wish to post your synthesis of May's medical journal, please do so. Yes, I have thought of trying May on the Tylan again. Now that the Denagard round is finished, I may start her on the Tylan for another five days and see what happens.

As an aside, one of the reasons I decide to euthanize a chicken like May is when she can no longer move out of her poop. So tonight I put together a frame of 2 x 4 scraps with a closed foam mattress on top. I cut a poop hole out of the mattress for the poop to (hopefully) fall though.

The tragic part of this is May seems alert and well, decent appetite, interest in her surroundings and is chatty. Everything about her is normal except for her legs.

Long ago, I had a special EE hen named Flo. Flo actually developed special vocals to communicate with me that she never used with the other chickens. Flo went lame over several years, not all of a sudden as these pullets have done. The winter when Flo became too lame to roost, she had a basket in the garage she slept in. I would carry her in at night and carry her back to the run in the morning. When spring came and she began to lay again, I fixed a crate up in the run for her to lay her egg in, and she started sleeping there at night. She never complained and immediately went along with everything I did to help her.

At one point, she was happy to share her dedicated pen in the run with some new chicks I brooded there. No, the chicks never caught whatever it was that made her lame. But she didn't interact with them as Su-su has.

Eventually, Flo went completely lame and went "dead in the water" so to speak. She could no longer move. So we ended it.
 
Your mention re "deciding to euthanize when can no longer move out of their poop" is the same criteria normally used when deciding time to euthanize dogs and cats. Unfortunately a large dog with paralysis often needs to be euthanized much earlier than a small dog. Even if the large dog is otherwise alert & content, as May is currently. A human caretaker can help a small dog "move away from their poop", but a large animal is simply too heavy to manage. Otherwise, if an animal is still finding joy in living, AND if their human caretaker is willing and able to keep them clean and comfortable, there is no harm in helping them live more days. Its all about keeping one's dignity, human or otherwise. If May is happy in your care for her, you are doing the right thing. And if the time comes when u can no longer give her the care she needs, that is ok too. Meanwhile, still hoping for a miracle. 🙏
 
Oh, Carol. I am so sorry May is doing so poorly. I was out of town for ten days and barely popped in to BYC. I’ve been back on the last couple days, but did not see your thread sgain until tonight. I was going to suggest a chicken dling, but I like your mattress idea. Let us know how she does with that. I forget if you’ve tried any vitamin therapy?
 
That IS a very interesting and informative thread @LaFleche. Post #8 by @rebrascora reminded me a lot of what @azygous is currently facing re trying to help May, whether Marek's is the cause of May's symptoms or not. Both post #8 and post #24 by @sherahart made just this morn both offer some positive hope for those trying to find a way way past the symptoms of Mareks disease.
 

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