If it's wet pox, no antibiotic will treat it. The tylan is mainly used for respiratory symptoms.
Flagyl - where to buy?
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Is the pus all over the roof of her mouth or just the cleft?
Normal
This one has a sinus infection - You can see the pus in the cleft, but not anywhere else.
Normal
This one has a sinus infection - You can see the pus in the cleft, but not anywhere else.
X2. You need to figure out if you have a sinus infection or canker.
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Yes, if it's viral it should run it's course (in this one chicken, at least) within two weeks...but I'm not totally convinced it's pox. The similarities between the two have me confused---both involve the respiratory system, both have lesions, etc. In fact, I've seen pictures of both that look exactly like what's going on with this chicken. If I treat it as canker, it will still take awhile to clear up. I'm thinking that a course of metronidazole won't hurt---will it? I hate to use antibiotics when there's no need, but I want to cover all my bases here. Thoughts?
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It's not just the sinuses, though---it's in her lungs and throat as well. And not in her eyes. I guess my only course is to have it cultured, but that may take too long...
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The pus is all over her mouth and in her throat.
This is what's in my AAAP Avian Disease Manual
[FONT=TimesNewRoman,Bold][FONT=TimesNewRoman,Bold]D. TRICHOMONIASIS [/FONT][/FONT]
(Canker in pigeons and doves; Frounce in falcons)
DEFINITION
Trichomoniasis is caused by
[FONT=TimesNewRoman,Italic][FONT=TimesNewRoman,Italic]Trichomonas gallinae[/FONT][/FONT], a flagellated protozoan. Pathogenicity varies
greatly by strain. The disease is characterized by raised caseous lesions in the upper digestive tract, but
may extend to other tissues. Pigeons, doves, turkeys, chickens and raptors are commonly affected.
HISTORICAL INFORMATION
Trichomoniasis was once recognized as an important disease of turkeys and chickens, especially of
ranged turkeys, but is seldom reported now. Conversely, trichomoniasis in pigeons and doves continues to
be a common and significant disease. Trichomoniasis may have played a role in the extinction of the
carrier pigeon. Trichomoniasis can be a consequential disease in raptors.
EPIDEMIOLOGY
1. The organism is fragile in the environment and transmission occurs only through contact with infected
oral secretions or through water contaminated by oral secretions of carriers. Pigeons are believed to be
the natural hosts and primary carriers. The prevalence of the infection is near 100% for adult pigeons.
Carrier birds show no signs or lesions.
2. Pigeons and doves transmit trichomonads to their young during feeding of regurgitated partially
digested crop content (pigeon milk). Transmission in raptors (hawks, owls, eagles, etc.) And their
young, is through ingestion of infected prey. Turkeys and chickens probably contract the disease after
consuming stagnant surface water containing
[FONT=TimesNewRoman,Italic][FONT=TimesNewRoman,Italic]T. gallinae[/FONT][/FONT]. Other disease may predispose turkeys to
clinical trichomoniasis.
3. In established flocks or lofts, trichomoniasis may only be noted as a clinical disease after introduction
of a more virulent strain of
[FONT=TimesNewRoman,Italic][FONT=TimesNewRoman,Italic]T. gallinae [/FONT][/FONT]by new birds or exposure to wildlife carriers.
DIAGNOSIS
1. Typical signs and lesions are very suggestive of the diagnosis. In pigeons, doves and raptors, yellow
plaques or raised cheesy masses involve the upper digestive tract. Masses often are large and conical
or pyramidal and can be surprisingly invasive in soft tissue. Lesions are usually most extensive in the
mouth, pharynx or esophagus but may occur at other sites including the crop, proventriculus or sinuses.
In raptors, lesions may also occur in the liver and are accompanied by peritonitis.
2. Infected squab (baby pigeons) become depressed and die at 7-10 days of age. Lesions of the oral
cavity are most common but may also occur in the nasal turbinates and brain. The infection may
become systemic, with lesions in the liver and other visceral organs.
3. Adults pigeons, doves and raptors often have difficulty in closing their mouth because of lesions in the
oral cavity. They drool and make repeated swallowing movements. Watery eyes may be apparent in
occasional birds with lesions in the sinuses or periorbital area. Rare cases with penetrating cranial
lesions may show signs of central nervous disturbances, including loss of balance.
4. Lesions are similar in turkeys but frequently are found only in the crop and upper or lower esophagus.
Occasionally the proventriculus contains lesions. Infected turkeys often have a gaunt appearance with
a hollowed area over the crop. Swallowing movements often are apparent and infected birds may have
an unpleasant odor (“sour crop”).(Canker in pigeons and doves; Frounce in falcons)
DEFINITION
Trichomoniasis is caused by
[FONT=TimesNewRoman,Italic][FONT=TimesNewRoman,Italic]Trichomonas gallinae[/FONT][/FONT], a flagellated protozoan. Pathogenicity varies
greatly by strain. The disease is characterized by raised caseous lesions in the upper digestive tract, but
may extend to other tissues. Pigeons, doves, turkeys, chickens and raptors are commonly affected.
HISTORICAL INFORMATION
Trichomoniasis was once recognized as an important disease of turkeys and chickens, especially of
ranged turkeys, but is seldom reported now. Conversely, trichomoniasis in pigeons and doves continues to
be a common and significant disease. Trichomoniasis may have played a role in the extinction of the
carrier pigeon. Trichomoniasis can be a consequential disease in raptors.
EPIDEMIOLOGY
1. The organism is fragile in the environment and transmission occurs only through contact with infected
oral secretions or through water contaminated by oral secretions of carriers. Pigeons are believed to be
the natural hosts and primary carriers. The prevalence of the infection is near 100% for adult pigeons.
Carrier birds show no signs or lesions.
2. Pigeons and doves transmit trichomonads to their young during feeding of regurgitated partially
digested crop content (pigeon milk). Transmission in raptors (hawks, owls, eagles, etc.) And their
young, is through ingestion of infected prey. Turkeys and chickens probably contract the disease after
consuming stagnant surface water containing
[FONT=TimesNewRoman,Italic][FONT=TimesNewRoman,Italic]T. gallinae[/FONT][/FONT]. Other disease may predispose turkeys to
clinical trichomoniasis.
3. In established flocks or lofts, trichomoniasis may only be noted as a clinical disease after introduction
of a more virulent strain of
[FONT=TimesNewRoman,Italic][FONT=TimesNewRoman,Italic]T. gallinae [/FONT][/FONT]by new birds or exposure to wildlife carriers.
DIAGNOSIS
1. Typical signs and lesions are very suggestive of the diagnosis. In pigeons, doves and raptors, yellow
plaques or raised cheesy masses involve the upper digestive tract. Masses often are large and conical
or pyramidal and can be surprisingly invasive in soft tissue. Lesions are usually most extensive in the
mouth, pharynx or esophagus but may occur at other sites including the crop, proventriculus or sinuses.
In raptors, lesions may also occur in the liver and are accompanied by peritonitis.
2. Infected squab (baby pigeons) become depressed and die at 7-10 days of age. Lesions of the oral
cavity are most common but may also occur in the nasal turbinates and brain. The infection may
become systemic, with lesions in the liver and other visceral organs.
3. Adults pigeons, doves and raptors often have difficulty in closing their mouth because of lesions in the
oral cavity. They drool and make repeated swallowing movements. Watery eyes may be apparent in
occasional birds with lesions in the sinuses or periorbital area. Rare cases with penetrating cranial
lesions may show signs of central nervous disturbances, including loss of balance.
4. Lesions are similar in turkeys but frequently are found only in the crop and upper or lower esophagus.
Occasionally the proventriculus contains lesions. Infected turkeys often have a gaunt appearance with
a hollowed area over the crop. Swallowing movements often are apparent and infected birds may have
5. Morbidity and mortality in affected birds varies but can be quite high. Demonstration of trichomonads
in the oral fluids may not be significant in the absence of lesions since many normal birds have some
trichomonads. Small plaques in the mucosa should not be confused with pox or candidiasis.
CONTROL
1. Eliminate any known infected birds and all suspected carriers. If possible, depopulate at regular
intervals and thoroughly clean and disinfect the premises. Add no birds to an established flock since
they may be carriers of a more virulent strain. Permit no contact among pigeons, doves and
susceptible poultry.
2. Provide a source of clean, fresh water, preferably running water being replaced constantly. Eliminate
all sources of stagnant water. Disinfect watering containers and water lines regularly (e.g. chlorine).
3. Avoid feeding infected pigeons and doves to captive raptors.
TREATMENT
There is currently no approved medication for treatment of trichomoniasis in food animals. Birds not
being raised for food can be effectively treated individually with metronidazole (Flagyl) at a dose of 30
mg/kg orally SID for 5 days, or with Enheptin.in the oral fluids may not be significant in the absence of lesions since many normal birds have some
trichomonads. Small plaques in the mucosa should not be confused with pox or candidiasis.
CONTROL
1. Eliminate any known infected birds and all suspected carriers. If possible, depopulate at regular
intervals and thoroughly clean and disinfect the premises. Add no birds to an established flock since
they may be carriers of a more virulent strain. Permit no contact among pigeons, doves and
susceptible poultry.
2. Provide a source of clean, fresh water, preferably running water being replaced constantly. Eliminate
all sources of stagnant water. Disinfect watering containers and water lines regularly (e.g. chlorine).
3. Avoid feeding infected pigeons and doves to captive raptors.
TREATMENT
There is currently no approved medication for treatment of trichomoniasis in food animals. Birds not
being raised for food can be effectively treated individually with metronidazole (Flagyl) at a dose of 30
Post some pictures. If nothing else, I'm curious and like to learn. You might also want to think about tube feeding her if she is not eating and drinking.
Do you have a vet that you could ask?
If it is canker, metronidazole is what you need and I don't think it will hurt, but I am not a vet.
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