Found out what happens when you mix a bobwhite tux mutt with a Tibetan

[spookyevilone]

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Which might be valid if she'd ever lived with another male. She was raised with her mate. Unless you're suggesting quail can breed by osmosis or through a cage wall?
-Spooky

 

[deerman]

Ok, look like it took after the hen. She is laying right, what color are the eggs? How old is she now?

 

[spookyevilone]

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I answered the egg question earlier, see above. She's about 5.5 months old. I'll try to get pics of eggs and chicks later.
-Spooky

 

[Suz658]

I think there's cross wires here ... Spooky say's she bought a F1 hybrid that she has bred with a coturnix male to produce 2 x F2 chicks. I looked at her pictures posted on another thread but could only see coturnix quail on it. I personally think the seller of her hen, saw her as a gullible novice and scammed her, but that's just my opinion.

I 'm pretty sure Spooky isn't purposely trying to mislead the forum, but I've heard people claiming that they have Colinus v. x Coturnix j. hybrids so many times before but they have never been able to back up the claim or go huffy and refuse to answer questions, Unlike Spooky who has been quite open with her answers.

I truely hope that Spooky continues to tell us more about the Hybrids and post clearer photo's, Although I'm very sceptical that they are true hybrids ... I'd be delighted to be proven wrong

Suz

PS. I believe Spooky said the eggs laid by the 'F1' were green & coturnix shaped - (away to check I haven't mis-quoted)

 

[Suz658]

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Sorry Spooky but would mind answering this when you have a few minutes, Thanks ....

 

[spookyevilone]

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Yes, my chicks are F2. Bumbles is an F1 hybrid.

The breeder of my hen had no benefit to lying to me or scamming me - she gave me Bumbles and Bumbles' sibling at no charge, and I paid a whopping $3 for my other juvenile Coturnix, so it's not like she made a profit on me. She also said right up front that the two hybrids may be sterile and may never produce chicks, which to me indicates: a) she has a clue about crossbreed hybrids, and b) she wasn't trying to pull one over on me - she knew I wanted birds to colourbreed and a hen that produced no fertile eggs was pretty well worthless. I had no clue that Bobwhites and Coturnix were supposedly so hard to crossbreed, and to me, Bumbles isn't anything special - she's just a pretty bird.

I do know that Bumbles' generation produced very few chicks out of a great many eggs. The breeder has other mated pairs but her hatch rate from them is very poor. She has some of Bumbles' generation being bred to other colour mutations, but I don't know if she's hatched any of them yet or what they turned out to be. I have no clue whether she's trying to breed them back to bobwhites.

I took Bumbles and her sibling home because they had such striking colouration, and to see if it would breed true. Thus far, she's produced very pretty little chicks. That's all I really care about.

You'd almost have to see Bumbles in person to see what I mean about her. I thought there was something wrong with her at first, because she moves so very differently than the other birds, but there doesn't appear to be. The pictures may show her as Coturnix, but she's built differently than my others, and she sounds different. Her mutt factor is a curiousity to me, and means I would never sell her eggs for any purpose other than to eat, because if she is a hybrid it could pollute someone else's bloodlines. I'm going to let the two chicks grow up and see what they look like, and see if they develop normally.

-Spooky

 

[spookyevilone]

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Sorry Spooky but would mind answering this when you have a few minutes, Thanks ....

We mean the same thing by Tuxedo. I meant the overall colour of the bird. White face, belly, primaries.

My coturnix chicks have all hatched at day 17 at the latest. I put them in with the button chicks, they hatch last but in the same amount of time. Bumbles' chicks didn't - they hatched much later.

Bumbles developed later than my other Coturnix. She was the same age as the juveniles I brought home, and all of them started laying the week after I brought them home. Bumbles first egg was 25 days ago and just hatched the other day. Over a month later than the other birds.

Bobwhite eggs are white. White's a recessive for egg colour, or it was with our chickens and I don't see why it'd be different for quail. It would never have occurred to me that her eggs WOULDN'T resemble the Coturnix eggs, but the shade of green is different. I don't know if that means anything, but y'all keep asking, so I pointed it out.

If she lays tonight, I'll get a pic of the egg and I'll try to get pics of her next to the other coturnix. It's not easy to get pics of her at all - she doesn't sit still. The babies are quite different in size. I got some pictures of them earlier but won't have time to monkey with them and upload them until later. One of the babies looks more Bobish, the other looks like a straight coturnix tux. However, it looks to have quite perfect penguin markings, which I'm very excited about, as that's what I want.

-Spooky

 

[Suz658]

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That easily explained ... the chicks call to each other from within the egg to encourage a sycnronized hatch .. (Survival tactic - strength in numbers thing) So basically your 'buttons' have encouraged the coturnix out early.

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Ok, what I was getting at here is a female bobwhite doesn't come to POL until around 20-24 weeks of age, Coturnix @ 6- 8weeks .... so bumble must of been around 10-12 weeks old when she laid her first egg, so she matured twice as fast as a BW, but her egg that are just quarter BW took BW incubation time

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like I said before coturnix eggs can be dramatically different, have a look at my forum, or use the link to my old forum, there's dozens of pictures of the strange colours they produce from pure white to dark brown, blue green to speckles that resemble pictures and those are just pictures from my own birds .... again my point was the size, colour & shape of a BW is very distinctive .... I would have just expected there to be something different about them.

I must admit I know very little of the genetics of egg colour, never been important, but part of my hobby is breeding colour mutation coturnix & bobwhite .... It never ceases to amaze me the weird and wonderful colours that are thrown until a colour breeds true. For the first 2 generations you can usually tell which colours have been bred together no matter if the colour was dominant, incompletely dominant, or recessive .... but I'm totally baffled that for some reason the BW gene seems to completely recessive ...

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Not just hard but impossible - try and get hold of this book 'Handbook of Avian Hybrids of the World' By Eugene M. McCarthy ... according to the 2008 edition there has never been a documented coturnix sp x Colinus hybrid .... so if your little bird could be DNA tested and proven to be what is claimed, she'd be a priceless scientific discovery.

Anyway, thanks again for the information, I'll try not to ask any more questions until you post your photos.

Suz

 

[spookyevilone]

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Which doesn't explain why Bumbles chicks hatched later, even though they were in with buttons who hatched at Day 16.


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Incorrect. Bumbles was around 18 weeks old when she started laying. I got her in early November, and she was just over 13 weeks old. She didn't lay for over a month. The Coturnix started laying at 14 weeks. They were in a pen in a non-heated barn. Bumbles was inside. She should have matured faster than the Coturnix, but didn't. I was excited when she laid her first egg. I'd just about given up hope that she ever would.


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I'll try to get pictures of the egg if she lays tonight. So far, no, but that might be because I keep going over to look at her and handle her and she's not happy with me

My goal wasn't to produce hybrids. Just pretty birds.


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*shrug* Again.. I don't really care. She's not a priceless scientific discovery to me, she's a goofy little pet. She has strikingly different colour patterns, which is why I wanted her. If the breeder I got her from wants to document and DNA test and publish, that's her prerogative. She very well might. I had no idea it was such a massive drama filled thing. I wish I didn't know. I'm rather irritated that suddenly a bunch of people want me to prove something that, without said DNA test, it is going to be difficult to prove. Something I don't give a fig about, except that I have to be careful to keep her eggs out of any batches meant for hatching by other people so their lines don't get polluted.

If she was the only one in the world, I could see why there'd be such an uproar, but she isn't. I had a sibling of hers. The breeder has others. It was my understanding that as soon as the line was established, it was going to Stromberg's. I could be wrong about that. I'll ask her next time I talk to her.
-Spooky

 

[Suz658]

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OK Sorry .... but as a genuine enthusiast I was interested & exicted in your post titled 'Found out what happens when you mix a bobwhite tux mutt with a Tibetan' I hoped for once the claim was true.

A picture of a true hybrid quail ... Mountain Father x Gambel Mother - (Oreotyx pictus x Callipepla gambelii) F1 as breeding was unexpected accident ..... as you'll see it resembles BOTH parent