French frogs

[LittleLakePhil]

That's good odds Phil! When's the drawing?

Moanin Bert

Thursday night...free dinner....door prizes

Not In My Back Yard.

That applies to everything from using wood stoves and wood burning fireplaces, to not growing anything other than grass and ornamental trees, to not walking your dog in their neighborhood (no sidewalks, so they want to keep people from walking on public streets), to no farms, no fields, no chainsaws or tillers or bonfires or target shooting (even archery).  

We proudly break all of these NIMBY rules and fight so that they do not slip into ordinance.  We are on the wrong side of a few, it's illegal to have a vegetable garden if you have less than 3 acres.  Bonfires are illegal too, so ours are cooking fires.

That was what I meant about it still makes sense up here.....just like if someone's dog comes on your property and kills your birds (Or insert any pet here) you have a right to protect it.
I suppose my junk cars would be a no no....you didn't say...

We would do the same!! That's crazy!! No garden if u don't have 3 acres...
I'm glad I won't be here to see America in a 100 years. If it even exists then...it's already crumbling..

Let's hope it is...but I'm not so sure.

I"m glad I dont have to worry about that stuff.......

Yeah Me too....I can pretty much do what I want...I live on a private road. A few years ago township tried to make me get rid of a few old cars...(they're in the back out of sight...don't want you all to think my whole yard is a junk yard.) My lawyer told the township to quit trespassing or else...they never said another word.

I truly would not do well living in a HOA setting......

I'd constantly be in trouble.......some of it I would do just to stir it up......

Again...me too..

This reminded me of something:

I've mentioned I came from a family of 9 kids, a decision my parents consciously made to have a large family. My mom regularly would have people ask her "You know what causes that, right?" during her pregnancies. My mother is a very proper, religious woman. Finally she started responding, "Oh yes, we know, but it is just so much fun we just can't stop". People stopped asking her.  

Yup me too...

 

[abbevilleoz]

that is not always true OZ I assist a lot . My dentist gives me old dental picks and what I do is zip for the chick by cracking the shell all the way around and wait for it to push out on it's on . if you hit blood stop wait a while as in a hour or so . I'm not as gentle as the girls . you want to be sure the yoke has been absorbed before it comes out .

Forceps work well, too.

I have so little patience I should not be allowed in the hatcher room for three days around the due date.

If a chick has pipped, and has been pipped for at least 18 but better 24 hours without zipping, or has started distress peeping after 16 hours, or if the membrane starts turning brown and wrinkled around the hole, or has started zipping and stopped for more than 30 minutes, I go in.

And I am not dainty about it.

I will enlarge the hole a little with tweezers, needlenose pliers, or whatever comes to hand that can nibble at the edge of the hole. Holding the egg with the air cell up and the hole facing you, chip away the shell at the left edge of the hole and pull back on the thick white membrane.  If you don't see blood or blood vessels in the inner membrane, keep going.  Chip just the shell around the cap.  If you haven't experienced any blood and have a struggling chick, you may want to let it try to push out as that will help ensure that the yolk is absorbed and that it has "pumped up" in preparation for hatch.  Or you can just pull the top off the egg and help the chick fall out.  If you do this, if the yolk is not absorbed fully, at a minimum you will end up with a herniated navel and exposed yolk.  That's why the waiting period is so critical.  But in the case of a stalled zip, the yolk should be absorbed and the chick just stuck for one reason or another.

I "save" most of the chicks I deliver, and I cull about half the chicks I save.

We came home no progress. Wife picked shell, blood and vessels were visible so we stuck it back in the bator. He's moving and chirping. Thanks for all the help guys! What next!
Heres A pic of the egg after we worked on it.

 

[LittleLakePhil]

Well I'm pretty darn tired now...that's what staying up all night does for ya...but I'm pretty sure I'll sleep tonight.
how's everyone doing tonight?

 

[Miss Ameraucana]

If you are new to chickens, I strongly recommend this learning curve for incubation and hatching:

Learn to keep adult chickens.
Learn to grow out chicks.
Get some cheap local fertile eggs and try to incubate them.
Try again and again until you can get some to hatch.
For those that don't hatch, let them not hatch.  Sell those that do if you don't want to keep them.

Next season:
Get some cheap local fertile eggs and get back in practice.
Pay close attention to how long it "normally" takes from pip to zip, and how long the zip takes.
Pay attention to those that don't zip, and if they are dead in shell break them out to see what was wrong.
Fix the issues that contributed to the complications.  Make notes so you don't do it wrong next time.
Repeat.
Get some better local eggs if you want a different breed or variety.  Follow your best success model.
Repeat.
Study up on incubating shipped eggs.  There are a lot of theories.
Get a small order of shipped eggs.  Start learning all over again because shipped eggs offer a whole new set of challenges.  Take notes on every single egg.  Number them for ease of reference.
Incubate and candle at 7-10 days, 14-18 days, and take notes at every step on air cell stability, growth, etc.
Hatch them.  Use your own experience to determine if you SHOULD help them or not.

I won't help any that are not extremely special local eggs, or eggs with brutally damaged air cells where the chick may not be able to turn and complete the zip.  If it does not try to zip, I will not help it.  It's sad enough to see a dead in shell with birth defects, even worse if you bring it into the world and then have to kill it.

Very true. My DH had to destroy a chick last fall with an extremely crooked beak. Even though it was just one little chick it sure had an emotional impact on our family. I have 20 straight run Ameraucana chicks that are 3 weeks old and I'm planning on keeping several roosters. Blacks, blue wheatens, and blues and 1 splash!

I haven't got everything figured out yet but I'm getting there. Thanks very much for taking the time to give me this good advise!

 

[BYC910]

We came home no progress. Wife picked shell, blood and vessels were visible so we stuck it back in the bator. He's moving and chirping. Thanks for all the help guys! What next!
Heres A pic of the egg after we worked on it.

keep the humidity up and wait a bit longer .I can't see that the membrane is drying out .peel back the outer membrane and make sure the inner membrane is not stuck to the chick . If the pip has been open for a long time the inner membrane is where the shrinking will occur . And to answer your Email I haven't a clue what the name of my youtube channel is . I didn't even know it had a name

. I haven't even taken the video yet . having one of those evenings . Also have a wife who thinks the way to summon me is to hit the panic button on her car alarm .and a grown daughter who thinks money falls from the sky . Seems its ok to lose a $800.00 IPAD

So the two of them are back on the campus looking for it . and I'm stuck in the house .

 

[Miss Ameraucana]

Well I'm pretty darn tired now...that's what staying up all night does for ya...but I'm pretty sure I'll sleep tonight.
how's everyone doing tonight?

Did you catch a fish for me Phil? you seam to be in much better spirits!

 

[BYC910]

Well I'm pretty darn tired now...that's what staying up all night does for ya...but I'm pretty sure I'll sleep tonight.
how's everyone doing tonight?

Know that tactic well use it all the time . Sometimes it is the only way I can sleep . the bright side of a rough evening is I get to be on line

So not all bad .

 

[FridayYet]

Glad to see you on, K.

 

[abbevilleoz]

Well I'm pretty darn tired now...that's what staying up all night does for ya...but I'm pretty sure I'll sleep tonight.
how's everyone doing tonight?

Did you limit out!

 

[LittleLakePhil]

No steelhead tonight...they weren't in the river...must of moved up. So I was gonna go a few miles upstream to a waterfall where I figured they would be stacked up cuz they wouldn't be able to go any farther. But a mile up the two track I came to this hole the picture doesn't do it justice....it was deep...and if you notice is all ice there's no dirty there.....but I decided I didn't feel like getting stuck....