GMO's and Factory Farming...

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There is a disconnect here....the term CAFO's is so easy to slam, but within that word, you ARE pointing to American farmers. It's easy to say Montsano rules the world, but when you get down to it, and form an understanding of what a CAFO is and who is registered as a CAFO operator, well, they ARE American farmers, the good ol' boys, the folks with Centennial signs in front of the house that show this farm has been operated by the same family for over 100 years.

I personally grew up with many of these folks, and know many more, and the registered CAFO list here in MI is littered with names of folks I could describe to you in detail, because I KNOW who they are. I've been on their property, they've been on ours, and when the idyllic image of a sun-beaten, dirt-under-the-nails farmer in a beat up Ford thought to portray the "little guy", well, you just described the guys I know who have operations that are registered CAFO's.

Are some large operations run in a shoddy manner? Yes. Are all of them? NO. Does the word "Incorporated" mean some fat cat somewhere else is running the show? NO. (I grew up on a small non-CAFO horse farm that was "Incorporated", it's a tax/liability label. There were three people involved - my parents and the trainer.)

There are little pieces of the pie out there, but until you've LIVED it, spent years around it, especially in a variety of forms, the full picture is just too big to view from one window. I grew up in ag, worked in ag, went on to work in Food Safety and Microbiology, and then to work in testing the environment for organic contaminants. Are GMO's right or wrong? They are both and neither. Without GMO bacteria, there wouldn't be half the medications around that have saved lives, and most insulin dependent diabetics would be long dead. GMO crops were a great boon when they came out, but now just like antibiotic resistance, it's being overcome by nature. Another product will come out eventually to top Round Up Ready, just like more antibiotics came out to fight penicillin-resistance. Are we worse off now due to high resistance antibiotics than if penicillin had not been discovered? I think not. Is RoundUp Ready horrible? The bestest ever? I think neither. Did it fit a niche? Absolutely? Can you bet other companies are racing to find something new that will have resistance to disease, competition from weeds, or pest resistance? Bet your bottom dollar on it.

Of course, for myself and my small garden, I do use chemicals, as they were meant to be used. I mix a batch of RoundUp specifically as the label states, spray down to get the first round of junk under control. After that I hand weed. I use Sevin dust as specifically stated on the label, due to the madness of cucumber beetles here. I might do that once a season (last year I didn't need it). Most smart farmers do the same - they don't blow pesticide and herbicides out for fun - that stuff is EXPENSIVE. They use it as needed, when needed, and as directed. It's wasteful otherwise and waste = $.

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Instead of watching movies and getting a maybe somewhat biased opinion, read scientific reports like this one done in Russia on GMO Soy and infertility/sterility.
Pretty sure the results are not made up, especially in a country where high yield crops would be beneficial.

I am only posting the link because the OP posted links.
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http://www.responsibletechnology.org/article-gmo-soy-linked-to-sterility
 
The 'american farmer' is in debt up to his eyeballs to the fat cats who are running their farms. So again, is the big money men who are eating those pigs dictating at what percentage rate a farmer is borrowing at that is finishing off the last of the pork fat... so to speak.

My neighbor's brother who is a SWEET man, is in the chicken business... or was... Tyson terminated his contract because they wanted him to change how he housed his chickens and the bank said NO. He was $250k in debt and lost everything. He's kinda in and out staying with my neighbor while his wife finds work.

He even said he had no say so in his business, and that was that. I do not ask on the care of his chickens, or rules of the game or anything otherwise. He's just a nice guy in a bad place and I try not to talk about this around him... but it for sure left a bad taste in his month. I'm sure there were plenty of other farmers out there willing to take on the debt to get his contract though.
 
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Please do go in to detai. I am quite curious how Turkeys are given Steroids when there are no steroid products approved for use in poultry. I'd also like to know what your definition of 'Junk" is that is given to pigs.

7 pages later, can we get an answer to this?

I've worked in swine industry, at no time are hogs boiled alive in slaughter houses. They have animal rights inspectors on the premises. We in Ag are not some sadistic monsters.

Food, Inc is based on the fact that field corn has no nutrient value and can't be eaten. That is so wrong.

Want, LOVE organic, more power to you. It costs more, pay for it, ENJOY.

Statement on France is completely wrong as their unemployment rate (with small government paid workers) is 30%. Try again.

We RATS will continue to eat.
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As was stated in another thread by an "organic person" is that organic is NOT chemical free just approved chemicals.

Hey GMO seedcorn....
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SOOOO... You are saying field corn can be eaten by humans without heavy chemical processing?????
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Please demonstrate for us where and how humans eat field corn without it being processed by chemicals such as sulfuric acid.....
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.Or are you saying cattle should eat it....
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No response to my facts about France... "I have been waiting 7 pages"
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Ya ya I realize the rat comment was in bad taste.. OK I am human and make mistakes... DO you ever admit to being wrong?

Unemployment at 30% in France???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Where on earth do you get 30% from.. FOX news...................
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_unemployment_rate

Many sources say Frances unemployment is around 10%.. (More small farmers making a meager living..
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You do know ours is higher!!!! ...Try 28% in the USA !!!!!...
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. (The official numbers are low low low, simply eliminate unemployment benefits and reduce the number.. We hide the poop job in the American diaper pretty well...)
http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/careers/what-is-the-real-unemployment-rate/19556146/
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You mean you haven't scarpered off as a kid and grabbed some green ears off the field, and eaten it while it was still juicy?
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It's really pretty good (seriously). Of course, once it dries and becomes dent corn, then it's only about good for corn meal.
 
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You mean you haven't scarpered off as a kid and grabbed some green ears off the field, and eaten it while it was still juicy?
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It's really pretty good (seriously). Of course, once it dries and becomes dent corn, then it's only about good for corn meal.

Yes, but raiding a sweet corn field tasted much better..
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My point is the vast majority of field corn is processed into high fructose corn syrup or is fed to animals in CAFO situations...
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Don't knock it til ya try it
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After all, sweet corn is merely a mutated field corn that is bred specifically for the su gene, and picked when immature. Immature field corn is still pretty darn tasty stuff.

I guess my point then is that field corn IS edible for human consumption, and always has been in when it's immature state.
 
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Then I'm sorry, but your idea of a "farmer" is far away from what I know one to be. A true farmer is someone who works hard, and takes good care of his own. That includes his land, his animals, his family, and his customers. Knows about his animals, and works hard to keep them in optimal condition with he/she has.

I don't remember seeing any idealistic photos of a "farmer" going out to a huge lot with no grass, horrifically overpopulated with cattle, to feed them corn.

I remember men leading cows to new pasture. Not feeding them corn every once in a while, having to answer to fat cats in a cushy office somewhere. I'm sorry, but if you work for one of them you are controlled by them. That goes for just about anything. These "farmers" are the grunt workers, the lowest on the totem pole, the one that gets stepped on. They answer to those higher up the ladder.

During that "100 years" that they have operated their "farms", it turned into a CAFO. There is a lot of difference between a farm and a CAFO.


We have our little garden, and we use no pesticides. We have good years, and bad years. We can things in the good years. Tomatoes never have a good year though... because there is no cure for a pet chicken infestation
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We small producers can be happy that the Tester Amendment was added to the Food Safety Bill. Had it not been most of us would have been put out of business as the requirements would have added hoops that a direct to market farmer simply could not have complied with. I don’t know if anyone else was watching it and keep track of what was happening but I definitely was!
 
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