grannys gone and done it

[Granny Hatchet]

so i just lost the last silkie baby. soon as i went out to lock up the barn i watched it take its last breath. suzierd, i have an idea, in the morning, i will give the stuff i have to two of my big chickens that are bad off. tomorrow is saturday anyway, and if i see an improvement in them i will treat them all . if it is going to kill them it should do it right away. they are very sickest anyway. i could also try in the food i guess. at this point i dont have much to lose anyway. if we hear about your powder in the mean time i would be honored if you sent it to me. but lets try this first. i can mail you back the shipping costs.

 

[Granny Hatchet]

so far i have read, never give tylan injections to babies, but it didnt say why and someone on here uses expired powder for yrs. past the date. for babies the duramycin is suppose to be better. this was just one post

 

[katbriar]

so far i have read, never give tylan injections to babies, but it didnt say why and someone on here uses expired powder for yrs. past the date. for babies the duramycin is suppose to be better.  this was just one post  

I'm trying piece some things together. You think it's coryza and you have tylan injectable. What kind? 50 or 200? What dosage are you giving your birds and are they chick or grown?

One site I was on said that because 50 is more diluted it takes a larger quantity to get the effective dose but the more fluid the harder it is on birds. May be why it's hard on chicks?

I will help you research, but have no experience so I have no advice...

Here's the site I was on: https://sites.google.com/a/poultrypedia.com/poultrypedia/medicine-chart

Scroll down til you see Tylosin.

It says that it "can possibly" be given orally but I don't know what qualifications that might have.

 

[katbriar]

Other posts on this site from smart people with experience:

dawg53
It's true that giving tylan 50 injectable orally takes longer to absorb into their system and there's a loss of potency, injecting is best. Dosing orally, is normally 1/2cc for standards, 1/4cc for smaller chickens, 1/10cc for chicks. Because of the time it takes to see improvements in the chicken, you can dose orally 5-7 days, but not longer. Injecting with tylan 50 is normally 3-5 days.


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7/12/11
dawg53
Tylan 50 injectable given orally...dosage is 1/10cc per pound of body weight. Dose for once a day for 5 days. It takes longer to absorb into their system. Injecting is quicker.
Injecting....post#2
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=399298

 

[katbriar]

The conversations seem to be that injectable when given orally looses some of its effectiveness because some gets broken down in the digestive process.

 

[katbriar]

On one battery about to die, and all I can find on soluble expiration date is that it should be good 18 months after purchase.

Will check in tomorrow- good luck!

 

[Eggcessive]

so far i have read, never give tylan injections to babies, but it didnt say why and someone on here uses expired powder for yrs. past the date. for babies the duramycin is suppose to be better. this was just one post

Granny you have given way more medicines than I ever have, but the reason I think about not doing Tylan injections in chicks is that it can cause muscle damage in big birds, and chicks have no muscle to inject into. There is also danger of injecting into the heart or an air sac. I'm not an expert on these things. Some give injections under the skin in the back of the neck, but I don't recommend things unless I've done them. Tylan is supposed to be injected into a muscle, but some give it under the skin or orally. People do all kinds of things to experiment on their own chickens, but I would rather tell people what is right. Giving the expired Tylan powder is up to you--I really don't think anyone can tell you it is okay for sure. I know you have had some sick chickens for awhile with what sounded like coryza, and coccidiosis, but have you ever gotten a necropsy to find out what you have for sure? The respiratory diseases don't go away unless you depopulate your flock. If you have one recovered bird, then hatch new or add new chickens, you will still have a carrier in the recovered bird. Sorry about losing your silkie baby.

 

[Suzierd]

me neither. i have asked but no response yet. its tylan powder right? i dont understand why i cant put mine in water. i know its still good.  if it can be squirted in the mouth then why not mixed in water? too big a dose? i have too many to treat to try to dose them by mouth and i have never done that anyway, probably choke them 

Yes it's the powder you mix in their water.

 

[Granny Hatchet]

eggsessive, i know i did wrong and i dont know why i added. the babies were an accident from when my mom was sick and i couldnt get out there. the ones that are sick are the ones that were sick before. i went on facebook and asked for someone to please order the powder for me and my nephew has done it. it will take 5-7 days to get here but it will be easy to treat them. i cant bring myself to cull the flock, i have tried. i would give anything for a healthy flock except their lives. when the dwindle down to 10 or so then i will cull the rest. i guess i am a care giver and always will be. i am pretty sure it is crd. the bubbles give them away.

 

[Granny Hatchet]

Granny you have given way more medicines than I ever have, but the reason I think about not doing Tylan injections in chicks is that it can cause muscle damage in big birds, and chicks have no muscle to inject into. There is also danger of injecting into the heart or an air sac. I'm not an expert on these things. Some give injections under the skin in the back of the neck, but I don't recommend things unless I've done them. Tylan is supposed to be injected into a muscle, but some give it under the skin or orally. People do all kinds of things to experiment on their own chickens, but I would rather tell people what is right. Giving the expired Tylan powder is up to you--I really don't think anyone can tell you it is okay for sure. I know you have had some sick chickens for awhile with what sounded like coryza, and coccidiosis, but have you ever gotten a necropsy to find out what you have for sure? The respiratory diseases don't go away unless you depopulate your flock. If you have one recovered bird, then hatch new or add new chickens, you will still have a carrier in the recovered bird. Sorry about losing your silkie baby.

this is probably why they seized and died on me. it happened in my hand after the injection. the ones it didnt hurt are well. so the powder should clear them up. i told my husband tody, if i even attempt to buy another chicken, smack me. i feel very guilty by bringing some home. i gave them a death sentence. no necropsy. no leaving the house even for the past 3 months. been relying on strangers to bring me most things. milk, meds, ect.... dr. yesterday , and i thought that was a treat.lol even if he did tell me i had a tick illness. gross! thank you eggsessive for being honest with me, i dont take your words lightly.