Green and Spalding chicks

[MinxFox]

As far as breeding the imports to the Americans i do not see what difference it is going to make except add new blood to the American bloodline .

once those baby's hatch here even if they are from imports i would think they would now be Americana's also, wouldn't you agree here? i mean anything born in America than it is an American , like when did the Americans greens become American greens? first generation born here right?
I just reread Josh's page on imports and he stated that they may be direct imports or from direct imports so technically if i buy off springs from imports that were hatched in Florida they too are Americans, perhaps way better documented as records have been kept on them sense they arrived here in the states where the older Americans may have changed hands many times over the last 40 years that we know they have been in the US.

I agree that they would be American, but the term Import has been used to differentiate the Imported greens from the American greens. From a marketing standpoint, Imported Greens sounds better than American Greens - even if those 'imports' were born in America. The imports are mainly characterized by being "pure bred" as in good records as you mentioned, but also only breeding import to import or import offspring to import offspring. There are no unknown greens paired with them. American greens are generally assumed to be greens of very questionable genetics. Is it a Java or is it an Indo-Chinese X Java cross? Or is it a very high % spalding? You can't be too sure with the green lines that have been in America for a long time. I am sure that there are very good American Greens out there, but there are also bad quality ones, so to call the Imported greens American Greens could give them a negative connotation. Also Rocking BAB and others have spent a lot of money to import green peafowl, and by calling them Imported greens it can help them sell the birds for higher prices that people might not be as willing to pay for just American greens. I agree it isn't all that accurate, but the term Import probably helps sell the birds better because it sounds more impressive and more likely to be of good quality since greens are not native to the Americas. I have to say it sounds more appealing to me than American Green. Josh's article about the American Greens he has selected really make you feel better about their quality, but unfortunately often when you go looking for American Greens you find not so good quality birds so that has probably hurt the term and thus made people reluctant to use it for imports.

Although, one linage of American Greens are the Rodney Michael line greens so you could always call the imports from Wolfgang: Wolfgang line greens.

Thank you for the help, my aviaries will be at around 2000 square feet.i will have 4 of these so the birds can be rotated to them for fresh grains and grasses and fruits
I will be purchasing baby pea chicks so there will be no way to determine weather they will be feather pickers

I think you told me how big they would be before, but it didn't register with me that my current aviary is 2000 square feet. I definitely find that size to be a perfect size! Are they going to be more square shaped or will they be narrow? Mine is 40x50ft and I really like those dimensions because it feels very open. If it was narrow I don't think it would have the same effect. How is the aviary progress going by the way? We took a break from my aviary again. Since I am about to be off for Spring Break I am going to get back to work on the aviary whenever I get the chance.

 

[connerhills]

Is it salesmanship or is it the quality of birds now . Years ago Rodney birds were the cock of the walk, none finer. The imports came in and Rodney birds were just so , so. now. But the imports didn't breed or produce offspring very good . So you go back to Rodney birds , and his hens were good, and produced offspring some being sold as green .. Now we have what was not too good ,bred to the best. Where is the line at ? Wolfgang has had his a long time and most of the birds have come from him and as many as he has shipped in the last few years there are bound to be close breed. There are a number of imports in the US at different places, I have seen Rodney birds that were better than the imports, I have Rodney birds, but mine are not as good as the imports and I would like to have an import green of any kind .. It as been my experience that if you get 20 people together and show them 6-8 mature males , of 3 kinds ,most people will guess wrong, but you have a 1 in 3 chance of being correct. This might upset some people but it was not written to do that. I wanted people to think about what has happen in the past with the greens and what they want to do in the future because only the first imports are imports. They can't be imports , but can be some of the offspring of import , just like Rodney birds were .. take a good look at Q8's. connerhills

 

[zazouse]

I agree that they would be American, but the term Import has been used to differentiate the Imported greens from the American greens. From a marketing standpoint, Imported Greens sounds better than American Greens - even if those 'imports' were born in America. The imports are mainly characterized by being "pure bred" as in good records as you mentioned, but also only breeding import to import or import offspring to import offspring. There are no unknown greens paired with them. American greens are generally assumed to be greens of very questionable genetics. Is it a Java or is it an Indo-Chinese X Java cross? Or is it a very high % spalding? You can't be too sure with the green lines that have been in America for a long time. I am sure that there are very good American Greens out there, but there are also bad quality ones, so to call the Imported greens American Greens could give them a negative connotation. Also Rocking BAB and others have spent a lot of money to import green peafowl, and by calling them Imported greens it can help them sell the birds for higher prices that people might not be as willing to pay for just American greens. I agree it isn't all that accurate, but the term Import probably helps sell the birds better because it sounds more impressive and more likely to be of good quality since greens are not native to the Americas. I have to say it sounds more appealing to me than American Green. Josh's article about the American Greens he has selected really make you feel better about their quality, but unfortunately often when you go looking for American Greens you find not so good quality birds so that has probably hurt the term and thus made people reluctant to use it for imports.

Although, one linage of American Greens are the Rodney Michael line greens so you could always call the imports from Wolfgang: Wolfgang line greens.

I think you told me how big they would be before, but it didn't register with me that my current aviary is 2000 square feet. I definitely find that size to be a perfect size! Are they going to be more square shaped or will they be narrow? Mine is 40x50ft and I really like those dimensions because it feels very open. If it was narrow I don't think it would have the same effect. How is the aviary progress going by the way? We took a break from my aviary again. Since I am about to be off for Spring Break I am going to get back to work on the aviary whenever I get the chance.

20 foot wide in a hoop shape like a green house frame .10 by 20 shelter with doors so they can be shut in if it gets to cold or i need to catch them.

 

[Dany12]

What kind of band will they have on ?
The common B-A-B Ranch band ?
There will be a certificate of origin ... or just the invoice?

 

[MinxFox]

Since they will be young peachicks I am guessing they might just be wing banded.

 

[zazouse]

What kind of band will they have on ?
The common B-A-B Ranch band ?
There will be a certificate of origin ... or just the invoice?

Here is his reply on the chicks identification from a while back
All our chicks are wing banded at birth and noted in our records. We will know which chicks came from which parents.

 

[Peafowlssssssss]

As i know they only use these big bands in their legs for shipping internationally.

 

[zazouse]

The Strike is over, now i can get those imports if they have any when i get there

so excited

 

[zazouse]

As i know they only use these big bands in their legs for shipping internationally.

I am going to ask him to supply leg bands with the info on them so i can put them on my birds when they are big enough, it will be easier to read than a wing band.

 

[Dany12]

They already have the 2015 peachicks?
For young peacocks of 2014 ... it's not too late?

Here for peacock we use :
20mm = 025⁄32in or 22mm = 055⁄64in