Guns n Stuff

[woodmort]

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How is that different than iron sights or scopes? They all see in a straight line an you have to adjust height for the range your shooting.

Actually my .22 varmint scope has sight lines that allow for bullet drop depending on distance.

 

[chickortreat]

Many people do not understand ballistics and bullet trajectory. The fact is, the bullet begins to fall to earth the instant it is fired, but because of the powder's propulsion behind it, it falls far from the barrel from which it was fired. When the bullet exits the barrel, it is below the line of sight. Assuming the sights are set for some range forward of the gun, the bullet gives the illusion that it is "climbing", while it is actually falling, though from an elevated trajectory. The bullet continues to climb above the line of sight, then crosses it again at the "zero" distance. Then it continues to fall until it finally stops. If a bullet of equal weight is held at the end of the barrel and dropped at precisely the same time the fired bullet exits the barrel, they will hit the ground at the same time, though possibly far apart, assuming of course a perfectly level barrel and level ground. As is no doubt evidenced by my ramblings, I hate the subject.....

 

[panner123]

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How is that different than iron sights or scopes? They all see in a straight line an you have to adjust height for the range your shooting.

May be just me, but I could never get a group the size of a quarter at 200 yards with a laser under any conditions. With the same gun (30/06) and a March 10-60x52 scope I can group 5 rounds the size of a dime, under ideal conditions. But then I practice every day with this set up. Have to change out the barrel after about 5000 rounds. This is much more than most shooters want to do and if the arms company wasn't paying for it, more than I want to do. I still put on shows ever so often. They want me to hit the target for them. I do and they sell guns and I get free stuff.

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

At 200 yards it would probably make a difference but that's when I would break out the 7MM with a scope. At under 80 yards a lazier works even with a basic 22.

Im not sure I would call groupings the size of a quarter or a little bigger at 200 yards bad though.

 

[Davaroo]

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Under 1/2 MOA? That is so good as to be hard to believe.

 

[chickortreat]

I have fired a group that touhed holes at 250 yards with my .223 before. Two friends who were here shot groups under 1" at 250. I have some targets 400 yards from my front door.....steel plates ranging from 13" diameter down to 3" diameter. One guy brought his two Ruger target rifles over, a .204 and a .22-250. He rang the 3" plate at least 3 out of 4 shots with the .22-250, and at least half the time with the .204. The wind was messing with the .204, as I've seen what it will do on a good day. Hitting a 3" plate with any consistency is way better than minute-of-angle shooting. But it requires a good rifle/scope/load combo, and a shooter who can pull it off. Nowhere near impossible though......

 

[Davaroo]

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Agreed. Certainly not commonplace.

 

[woodmort]

Just picked up a lever action Henry .17HMR, sweet little gun.

 

[Wild Trapper]

Been thinking of sneaking out and buying either a .17 HMR or a .22 mag in a bolt gun myself. Have to do it when I can also sneak it back into the house.

 

[woodmort]

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Yeah, I gotta do that too.

My excuse is that I think it's time my 13-year old grandkids learn to shoot and this is a better gun for that than the .22 mag. Of course a simple single shot would work as well, but I've always wanted a Henry lever action. Part of "The guy that dies with the most toys, wins".