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Sorry about that Red! I only meant that the mentioned firearms were "macho cool", as in they seem to be really popular with the folks that want to "play soldier" and hide in the hills or the youngsters that hang them in the back window of their 4x4 and cruise the town square. I realise many folks own them that are concientious gun owners and enthusiasts.
As for the 20gauge,I do not even see the coyote till he breaks out of the woods and that's 40 yards from the barn. At 30 yards the 20gauge with#4 shot or #3buckshot is deadly. With deer slugs I'm good out to 60-70 yards. Beyond that range the coyote is just passing thru!
Larry
No problem Larry! I didnt take offense, I giggled to be honest! I am the furthest thing from macho cool but I am married to law enforcement and that is what he brought me for coyotes. I could use the Banelli super 90 but that thing kinna kicks hard although the laser sights would be nice. the AR is just to intimidating for the neighbors if they see me with it.
And as mentioned above, although none of my neighbors are close I still need to be aware of where they are when I shoot. today I put 2 metal shipping containers (the 40 foot metal ones) and a hill between my shot and them. tree's cant always stop a wayward bullet so always be aware of your back drop.
ETA: Ok maybe I am a little cool, I got my kid tickets to see ozzy osbourne today and he says I am the coolest ever
Sorry about that Red! I only meant that the mentioned firearms were "macho cool", as in they seem to be really popular with the folks that want to "play soldier" and hide in the hills or the youngsters that hang them in the back window of their 4x4 and cruise the town square. I realise many folks own them that are concientious gun owners and enthusiasts.
As for the 20gauge,I do not even see the coyote till he breaks out of the woods and that's 40 yards from the barn. At 30 yards the 20gauge with#4 shot or #3buckshot is deadly. With deer slugs I'm good out to 60-70 yards. Beyond that range the coyote is just passing thru!
Larry
No problem Larry! I didnt take offense, I giggled to be honest! I am the furthest thing from macho cool but I am married to law enforcement and that is what he brought me for coyotes. I could use the Banelli super 90 but that thing kinna kicks hard although the laser sights would be nice. the AR is just to intimidating for the neighbors if they see me with it.
And as mentioned above, although none of my neighbors are close I still need to be aware of where they are when I shoot. today I put 2 metal shipping containers (the 40 foot metal ones) and a hill between my shot and them. tree's cant always stop a wayward bullet so always be aware of your back drop.
ETA: Ok maybe I am a little cool, I got my kid tickets to see ozzy osbourne today and he says I am the coolest ever
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Davaroo I think you are mixing predator control with varmit hunting. I agree with you that for longer ranges the .22 is a poor choice. What we are talking about here are(or should be)ranges less than 50 yards. If the coyote is farther that that you are not protecting you livestock/pets but HUNTING. Also, I stand by my position that a centerfire will sit in the rack or by the door and seldom be fired due to cost of ammo. For example,.243 Win runs maybe $30 for a box of 20 cartridges. With .22 ammo you can shoot 50 rounds a week for less than $5.00. That practice makes for a good shot that is comfortable with their gun. If a coyote is stalking your critters you should be able to make a head shot that will be deadly. No need to take a running head shot that wounds.
Just for the record,I love the .243. I owned a custom built one for years but finally decided that for economy of ammo storage space and cost and the fact I seemed to always reach for one of the .22s when I headed out, I'd sell the .243 and other centerfires and I've not regreted it at all.
Larry
By the way....I have several boxes of Quik-Shok and I think the Remington Yellow Jacket is a better load,and cheaper.
Davaroo I think you are mixing predator control with varmit hunting. I agree with you that for longer ranges the .22 is a poor choice. What we are talking about here are(or should be)ranges less than 50 yards. If the coyote is farther that that you are not protecting you livestock/pets but HUNTING. Also, I stand by my position that a centerfire will sit in the rack or by the door and seldom be fired due to cost of ammo. For example,.243 Win runs maybe $30 for a box of 20 cartridges. With .22 ammo you can shoot 50 rounds a week for less than $5.00. That practice makes for a good shot that is comfortable with their gun. If a coyote is stalking your critters you should be able to make a head shot that will be deadly. No need to take a running head shot that wounds.
Just for the record,I love the .243. I owned a custom built one for years but finally decided that for economy of ammo storage space and cost and the fact I seemed to always reach for one of the .22s when I headed out, I'd sell the .243 and other centerfires and I've not regreted it at all.
Larry
By the way....I have several boxes of Quik-Shok and I think the Remington Yellow Jacket is a better load,and cheaper.
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Davaroo I think you are mixing predator control with varmit hunting. I agree with you that for longer ranges the .22 is a poor choice. What we are talking about here are(or should be)ranges less than 50 yards. If the coyote is farther that that you are not protecting you livestock/pets but HUNTING. Also, I stand by my position that a centerfire will sit in the rack or by the door and seldom be fired due to cost of ammo. For example,.243 Win runs maybe $30 for a box of 20 cartridges. With .22 ammo you can shoot 50 rounds a week for less than $5.00. That practice makes for a good shot that is comfortable with their gun. If a coyote is stalking your critters you should be able to make a head shot that will be deadly. No need to take a running head shot that wounds.
Just for the record,I love the .243. I owned a custom built one for years but finally decided that for economy of ammo storage space and cost and the fact I seemed to always reach for one of the .22s when I headed out, I'd sell the .243 and other centerfires and I've not regreted it at all.
Larry
By the way....I have several boxes of Quik-Shok and I think the Remington Yellow Jacket is a better load,and cheaper.
I'd tend to agree that under the right circumstances a .22LR would be suffecient - we've tested it, and the round will penetrate a deer skull at short ranges (some guy left a deer carcass in the woods. 'Nuff said.
). If it's a semi-auto .22, you could also factor in quick follow-up shots, and with the utter lack of recoil it's really easy to keep the gun on target.
I still think, however, that heavier firepower is a good idea - if you can afford it. As mentioned, centerfire cartridges can be expensive, and rifles to fire them even more so. One notable exception to the rifle rule - the SKS. From what I've seen, cost is typically about $400. 7.62X39mm round, which is relatively cheap compared to the .223, and packs a bigger punch.
Basically, if it can kill a coyote, you can accurately shoot it, and you can afford it, that's the gun you want.
Davaroo I think you are mixing predator control with varmit hunting. I agree with you that for longer ranges the .22 is a poor choice. What we are talking about here are(or should be)ranges less than 50 yards. If the coyote is farther that that you are not protecting you livestock/pets but HUNTING. Also, I stand by my position that a centerfire will sit in the rack or by the door and seldom be fired due to cost of ammo. For example,.243 Win runs maybe $30 for a box of 20 cartridges. With .22 ammo you can shoot 50 rounds a week for less than $5.00. That practice makes for a good shot that is comfortable with their gun. If a coyote is stalking your critters you should be able to make a head shot that will be deadly. No need to take a running head shot that wounds.
Just for the record,I love the .243. I owned a custom built one for years but finally decided that for economy of ammo storage space and cost and the fact I seemed to always reach for one of the .22s when I headed out, I'd sell the .243 and other centerfires and I've not regreted it at all.
Larry
By the way....I have several boxes of Quik-Shok and I think the Remington Yellow Jacket is a better load,and cheaper.
I'd tend to agree that under the right circumstances a .22LR would be suffecient - we've tested it, and the round will penetrate a deer skull at short ranges (some guy left a deer carcass in the woods. 'Nuff said.
I still think, however, that heavier firepower is a good idea - if you can afford it. As mentioned, centerfire cartridges can be expensive, and rifles to fire them even more so. One notable exception to the rifle rule - the SKS. From what I've seen, cost is typically about $400. 7.62X39mm round, which is relatively cheap compared to the .223, and packs a bigger punch.
Basically, if it can kill a coyote, you can accurately shoot it, and you can afford it, that's the gun you want.
Basically, if it can kill a coyote, you can accurately shoot it, and you can afford it, that's the gun you want.
True enough
Pretty clear what I think of the .22 RF by now in this role, and the need for using an edge. I wont belabor that further.
That said, I also don't mind saying my favored farm and pest rifle is the Marlin 1894C in .357 Magnum. Good used ones can be found for under $300.
Just adequate for hunting at 100 yards, they are very accurate. They will provide more than enough power in close and they offer a fast follow up shot should one be needed. At the same time it wont carry half way across the county, should your shot go astray.
Ammo is not as cheap as the .22's, that is for sure... but you get what you pay for, IMHO. I can, however, hand load it to any level of power I want. From full out barn burner to meek "sub loads," I can do them all. With an inexpensive Lee Loader, I can span a wide power range and shoot pretty darned cheap - something no .22LR can offer. Oh yes - did I mention they can also shoot .38 Special, as well as the old .38 Long Colt and .38 S&W?
I should not forget to mention that the cartridge is a companion to my revolvers, doing versatile double duty. In rifle or handgun, it can be considered a very good caliber for 2-legged predators, as well. That is something to consider, these days, as reports of rural crime increase.
All around, I would not feel under gunned if my only "real" pest/predator control rifle beyond the .22LR, were this one.
Let it be known, too, that I'll seriously consider buying any Marlin 1894 rifle. Keep that in mind, folks
True enough
Pretty clear what I think of the .22 RF by now in this role, and the need for using an edge. I wont belabor that further.
That said, I also don't mind saying my favored farm and pest rifle is the Marlin 1894C in .357 Magnum. Good used ones can be found for under $300.
Just adequate for hunting at 100 yards, they are very accurate. They will provide more than enough power in close and they offer a fast follow up shot should one be needed. At the same time it wont carry half way across the county, should your shot go astray.
Ammo is not as cheap as the .22's, that is for sure... but you get what you pay for, IMHO. I can, however, hand load it to any level of power I want. From full out barn burner to meek "sub loads," I can do them all. With an inexpensive Lee Loader, I can span a wide power range and shoot pretty darned cheap - something no .22LR can offer. Oh yes - did I mention they can also shoot .38 Special, as well as the old .38 Long Colt and .38 S&W?
I should not forget to mention that the cartridge is a companion to my revolvers, doing versatile double duty. In rifle or handgun, it can be considered a very good caliber for 2-legged predators, as well. That is something to consider, these days, as reports of rural crime increase.
All around, I would not feel under gunned if my only "real" pest/predator control rifle beyond the .22LR, were this one.
Let it be known, too, that I'll seriously consider buying any Marlin 1894 rifle. Keep that in mind, folks
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Sorry, but I am willing to bet a good ham & egg breakfast that more coyotes are killed at over 150 yards than in closer. I prefer to reach out and touch them at about 250 yards. Now I want to see the 20 ga that will drop anything at the distance. If you are lucky you MIGHT be able to do it with a 22, but it won't be a clean kill. Unless you are hunting coyote from a long distance they see you long before you see them. When that happen, you don't get a shot at them for they head for the hills. As you might have guessed, I am NOT your local city boy, but can sit on my porch and shoot any critter I want out to 500 yards or more if I so desire. No matter if I am shooting at 5 or 500 yards, you can bet I am going to use the gun that will make a clean kill. If it won't do that, I don't pull the trigger. Then again most of the time I go for over kill not under kill. A few here might remember a man named Howard Hill, for those of you that never heard of him, he killed things with a bow & arrow back in the 40's & 50s. I like using them myself, but I am not like Mr. HIll, he liked shooting elephants with them. Sure they will kill them, but they will wound more than they kill if not used correctly. Make a clean fast kill or don't pull the triger. IF YOU ARE WORRIED ABOUT HITTING SOMEONE'S HOUSE WHEN SHOOTING AT SOME PREDATOR, "DO NOT SHOOT".
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.Your right 22 is a great gun for squirrel hunting or shooting at cans. But has very little knock down power. I don't want to wound the animal. Look at the 22 bullet vs the 223 bullet its obvious which bullet is better. The 22 has a blunt tip where as the 223 is shaped like a rocket. If your trying to kill the yote I'd go with the 223 center fire bullet.If you just want to make him mad & watch him run off & die get the rim fire 22. The 223 is a super fast , flat shooting bullet which equates to being very accurate. Sure you can kill a yote with a 22 but you better be a darn good shot. 22's have very little knock down. 22's have very little powder in there small casing vs a center fire bullet. Put the 22 bullet in one hand & the 223 in the other & then make your choice .
.Your right 22 is a great gun for squirrel hunting or shooting at cans. But has very little knock down power. I don't want to wound the animal. Look at the 22 bullet vs the 223 bullet its obvious which bullet is better. The 22 has a blunt tip where as the 223 is shaped like a rocket. If your trying to kill the yote I'd go with the 223 center fire bullet.If you just want to make him mad & watch him run off & die get the rim fire 22. The 223 is a super fast , flat shooting bullet which equates to being very accurate. Sure you can kill a yote with a 22 but you better be a darn good shot. 22's have very little knock down. 22's have very little powder in there small casing vs a center fire bullet. Put the 22 bullet in one hand & the 223 in the other & then make your choice .
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How did you do that with .22? Were they in a trap or free range? Any pics? Confronting strangers with a .22, I would be careful with that... you might shoot them and make them mad.
Steve
I don't know what .22 you've been shooting
I deer hunt with one, Shot the last one in between ribs in the lung and out the other side. Deer walked about 30 feet and dropped dead. And that was my first time hunting too. It diddnt kick at all which was nice for me. I'm pretty sure its a ruger 10/22
I don't suppose there is a picture to go along with that? And you don't know what type of .22 it is? wow
Steve
How did you do that with .22? Were they in a trap or free range? Any pics? Confronting strangers with a .22, I would be careful with that... you might shoot them and make them mad.
Steve
I don't know what .22 you've been shooting
I deer hunt with one, Shot the last one in between ribs in the lung and out the other side. Deer walked about 30 feet and dropped dead. And that was my first time hunting too. It diddnt kick at all which was nice for me. I'm pretty sure its a ruger 10/22
I don't suppose there is a picture to go along with that? And you don't know what type of .22 it is? wow
Steve
In Texas its against the law to shoot a deer with a rim fire rifle.The reason its against the law is because the gun does not have enough knock down to properly kill the animal. Again 22 is great for target practice cause the bullets are cheap. The reason they have so many different calibers is for a reason. If your going elephant hunting you wouldn't want to take a 223 again it would not have enough knock down power to properly kill the animal. Guns are a tool. So ,you need the right tool to do the job. Heres a list of what I use a rimfire 22 for squirel, rabbit, mink,opossum,racoon,skunk animals that are all sized a like. Another reason for using a centerfire 223 on animals like bobcats,foxs, yotes, javelinas, is for mounting your game the caliber won't blow a big hole in the game. You shoot a bobcat with a 300 magnum your more than likely ruin the hide. Bottom line get the right tool to do the job with. To me its cruel to only wound the prey.
Get you a little 223 or something like this. Best of both worlds shotgun and rifle.
http://www.rossiusa.com/product-list.cfm?category=3
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