HELP!!! Dont want my sons chick to die.

Mamatomany123

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Thank you to everyone so far for your insights. I did reach out to an avian vet right after the first response and they said they were too busy to see us. They gave me the names of 2 other vets. One did not open until 7 as they were an after care. So I took her to a local bird shop nearby just to see if they could offer me any other advice. We gave her some baby bird food with added nutrients. She was still eating on her own but I figured maybe it would be a bit easier for her to digest while whatever else is going on. When I called the vet at 7pm they told me the 2 doctors the avian specialist told me to ask for were not there. The dr they did have on call did not feel comfortable treating(at least they were honest rather than charging me to treat what they did not know about). The other vet was not reachable. So here we are. She is still alive and at this point eating and drinking on her own but also seeming tired. I read a bit more and decided to try some baby aspirin thinking she may be acting like this from pain...Id hate to think that. I gave her a quarter of a baby aspirin so approx 20mg. She drank it willingly. I will watch and update. Any advice or alternative suggestions are welcome.

Also to answer the questions from above. I got her from a friend who ordered them and had delivered at like a day old. She said the polish chicks are very hard to raise and her and another breeder had lost a lot between them. My girl was about a month old. I did see her very spunky jumping and very active. I had only had her 3 days so I assumed the stress of the move may have been too much. The only other option is that my original flock outside has a sickness a couple months before I got the chicks where they had bubbly eyes. So maybe they had the disease where it never goes away and as careful as I was to wash hands and the chicks are inside the house I may have transferred something on my hair or shoes inside?? I hope not and the babies had different symptoms no bubbles but completely swollen shut eyes and bloody looking discharge. I know we are only here for as long as intended but I want to try my best for them and felt really horrible I caused her this secondary trauma. If Id had known how Tylan could have done this I would have never given at all. But a lot of blogs really said good things and at that point I felt I was going to lose her anyway. I have learned a lot...hopefully not at her expense!😔
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Mycoplasma gallisepticum. It's a respiratory disease that can cause blubber eyes, swollen eyes, nasal discharge, mouth discharge, wheezing. Tylan is a fine antibiotic to give but never in the leg. If you want to give injectable then it needs to be given in the breast. I prefer orally as tylan can cause necrosis of the tissue.
 

Malkaris

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I did reach out to an avian vet right after the first response and they said they were too busy to see us. <snip> When I called the vet at 7pm they told me the 2 doctors the avian specialist told me to ask for were not there. <snip> She is still alive and at this point eating and drinking on her own but also seeming tired.

Perhaps you can see how she does and maybe one of the vets for birds will be in later. The first one may have felt that the bird wouldn't make. But if she's eating and drinking on her own, that's not a bad sign. I would let her rest for sure. I wonder if you could tell the vet about the leg injection and tell them you want them to check on her leg as an "in"?

If having kids is a fraction as bad/stressful as having chickens... :lol:

I found this old thread here, so while we may have more up-to-date info now, maybe (hopefully!) it just needs to heal?
https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/can-i-inject-tylan-50-in-the-leg-muscle.729891/
 

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Have I killed her leg?
Antibiotics need to be given daily for multiple days.
Tylsn needs to be given multiple times each day.

Sounds like you already had a respiratory disease in your flock which passed to the chick.

Don't give the chick any more shots. You can give medicine straight to the beak.

Can you weigh the chick?
 

Myrshine

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It honestly sounds like ILT..


In my experience and research, this unfortunately looks like the extremely serious Infectious Laryngotracheitis Virus (ILT). ILT is a viral herpes infection of poultry, but more specifically chickens most commonly primarily, but in severe strains, can affect other poultry fowl. The most common way for birds to contract ILT is by bird to bird contact (a carrier or another symptomatic bird). It is assumed that this disease can be given from infected parents to the offspring, as this dangerous virus can be transmitted vertically into the eggs of developing embryos, making any chicks that hatch, always infected and sick with the virus. So please don’t ever breed from your sickly infected flock to sell or giveaway chicks/hens/roosters to anyone. You can freely choose to hatch for yourself, but you should not ever sell and or giveaway any extra roosters as you’ll just be giving someone else your flock’s disease, causing them a devastation. ILT is a permanent lifelong chronic disease- meaning, that you can treat or have the symptoms go away, but whenever the bird gets stressed again, the symptoms will keep coming back or get worse. All birds (even recovered birds) remain lifetime long carriers of this serious viral disease, spreading and shedding it through their feces, feathers, dander, respiratory secretions and other bodily fluids. ILT is a distant cousin of the Mareks Disease, which is also caused by a Herpesvirus, more specifically, Gallid Herpesvirus 2. ILT is caused by Gallid Herpesvirus 1, so by keeping this in mind, it’s not only an extremely low risk of Mareks Disease, but also something that could wipe out a whole flock easily. This is a serious permanent lifetime disease of chickens and is incurable and untreatable. Since ILT is caused by a virus, antibiotics cannot help with symptoms. ILT has to run it’s course, but since this disease slowly suffocates the bird because of the large amount of bloody thick mucus buildup in the trachea and lungs. If your bird is making congested, gurgling sounds, coughing with or without bloody mucus, it is VERY critical to get your birds tested by a necropsy to find out if you’re dealing with this disease as soon as possible! Especially since ILT has a high mortality rate, especially in chicks and younger birds. That being said, it is recommended to cull all birds, disinfect and start over fresh. If you’d rather not (though I firmly believe it’s horrible to keep birds infected with ILT alive as it’s selfish), then the other option is to keep a closed flock- no new birds into your flock and no birds leave your sick flock. If you choose to start over, always quarantine any new birds that you decide to bring into your flock, 30 day quarantine isn’t always enough, therefore, it’s best to do a 60 day quarantine AWAY from your healthy birds, in another area. I did not write this out to scare you, I wrote it to offer information, help and advice about how serious this specific respiratory disease is, because people don’t take ILT seriously as much as they should.





More information about ILT:





https://extension.umd.edu/sites/ext...programs/poultry/ILT Know the Symptoms....pdf





https://www.agriculture.pa.gov/Anim...tious Laryngotracheitis Virus (ILT) Facts.pdf





https://www.oie.int/doc/ged/D9312.PDF





https://www.michigan.gov/documents/mdard/ILT_Basics_sup_mang-Web_645631_7.pdf





http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/livestock/poultry/facts/ilt.htm





https://www.tahc.texas.gov/news/brochures/TAHCBrochure_ILT.pdf





https://ucanr.edu/sites/poultry/files/246952.pdf





https://content.govdelivery.com/accounts/MNBAH/bulletins/1cf3b20





https://tvmdl.tamu.edu/2018/02/01/infectious-laryngotracheitis-diagnosed-laying-chicken/





https://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$department/deptdocs.nsf/all/agdex2216/$file/agdex_663-36.pdf





https://www.business.qld.gov.au/ind...seases-disorders/infectious-laryngotracheitis





List of testing and necropsy labs for poultry & other animals:





• List of US Poultry Labs - https://www.heritageacresmarket.com/poultry-necropsy-labs/





• List of Poultry Authorized Labs (NIPIP) - https://www.poultryimprovement.org/documents/AuthorizedLaboratories.pdf





• Zoologix PCR testing for livestock (poultry, equine, bovine, avian, etc) - http://www.zoologix.com/avian/index.htm





• USDA Diagnostic Tests - https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ou..._Lab_Information_Services/SA_Diagnostic_Tests





• Research Associates Lab (RAL) - http://www.vetdna.com/test-type/avian-bird





• Poultry Health Services Diagnostic Tests - https://www.poultryhealthservices.com/lab/tests/





Since I am NOT a veterinarian, I can NOT officially diagnose your birds- but I CAN give you this SUGGESTION as this is what it COULD BE. I also can NOT offer antibiotics or medications until you get testing done to know what it is exactly your flock has. Do NOT go to ANY avian veterinarians as they know NOTHING about poultry diseases and health- it is also a waste of your money! Get testing done from one of the links above!
 

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