Help Needed - BYC Breed Pages Cleanup

[wolftracks]

So nice to see these are being cleaned up. I've thought this needed to be done for a long time. One thing for sure, better and more pictures.

Since some of the colors and patterns are project, maybe a project section? Once recognized the information can be transfered to the appropriate place. Or maybe just a project section on the forum somewhere. Right now they aren't always easy to find and it's interesting to see what people are doing.

 

[allmychickens]

LF Brahma Has 2... The first one is better

 

[jmc]

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The Breed Index has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not a bird is pet or show quality, or will be purchased from a private breeder or a hatchery. I believe that is correct It is a resource tool for people who are wondering what breed will best suit them and their individual situations. I believe that, also, is quite correct Even if you order birds from a hatchery, you still need to be familiar with what breed you may choose to order. Amen, sister. As far as I know, none of the hatcheries sell "mutts" - they sell purebreds. Not so sure about this. Other byc ers would question this as well. They may not be show quality, but they are purebred nonetheless. Definitely not in all cases, even leaving aside the sexlinked 'intentional hybrids'. As one hi profile female byc er said, regarding EEs, 'hatcheries love to lie............' Another--male--byc er mentions how someone he know provides a certain big hatchery with 'Delawares' (he put Delawares in quotes in the course of deriding the birds/ 'BREEDS'/genetic purity one gets from any hatchery). Another byc er mentions the hybridized B Australorps, hybridized to make great layers out of them. Another male byc er from europe mentions that we don't wanna deal with 'hatchery hybrid' Barred Rocks, but with heritage ones. Sad to say, the anti hatchery bird mentality--as well as common expressed opinion that many of such are in no way pure--is healthy here. tsk tsk, but i have seen many examples with my own bifocaled four eyes!

Then when dear folks who love their beautiful hatchery birds--which are usually not APA/ABA SOP or SQ--put pics of them on one of the BREED threads, there is always the danger that (s)he will be soon informed that that is a hatchery bird, not a 'real' NH, etc. So at least some of the 'little people' are kept out of the aristocratic 'heritage' group. I wish this was pure imagination, but if i pick this up, you can bet other people pick up this attitude, also.

This is nothing against so called heritage birds and breeders--good heavens NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!--but it does point up the fact that, in a certain sense, hatchery birds are none too welcome side by side with so called APA/ABA SOP or SQ birds.

BTW, i am not at all angry. I just know for certain that some hatchery bird keepers feel bad about what is said about their birds. And not just me.

I LOVE BYC. IMO, there is no book that could have ever given me what BYC has.

Enormous gratitude goes to Rob (and his supportive wife)

 

[Black Cochin Bantams]

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The Breed Index has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not a bird is pet or show quality, or will be purchased from a private breeder or a hatchery. I believe that is correct It is a resource tool for people who are wondering what breed will best suit them and their individual situations. I believe that, also, is quite correct Even if you order birds from a hatchery, you still need to be familiar with what breed you may choose to order. Amen, sister. As far as I know, none of the hatcheries sell "mutts" - they sell purebreds. Not so sure about this. Other byc ers would question this as well. They may not be show quality, but they are purebred nonetheless. Definitely not in all cases, even leaving aside the sexlinked 'intentional hybrids'. As one hi profile female byc er said, regarding EEs, 'hatcheries love to lie............' Another--male--byc er mentions how someone he know provides a certain big hatchery with 'Delawares' (he put Delawares in quotes in the course of deriding the birds/ 'BREEDS'/genetic purity one gets from any hatchery). Another byc er mentions the hybridized B Australorps, hybridized to make great layers out of them. Another male byc er from europe mentions that we don't wanna deal with 'hatchery hybrid' Barred Rocks, but with heritage ones. Sad to say, the anti hatchery bird mentality--as well as common expressed opinion that many of such are in no way pure--is healthy here. tsk tsk, but i have seen many examples with my own bifocaled four eyes!

Then when dear folks who love their beautiful hatchery birds--which are usually not APA/ABA SOP or SQ--put pics of them on one of the BREED threads, there is always the danger that (s)he will be soon informed that that is a hatchery bird, not a 'real' NH, etc. So at least some of the 'little people' are kept out of the aristocratic 'heritage' group. I wish this was pure imagination, but if i pick this up, you can bet other people pick up this attitude, also.

This is nothing against so called heritage birds and breeders--good heavens NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!--but it does point up the fact that, in a certain sense, hatchery birds are none too welcome side by side with so called APA/ABA SOP or SQ birds.

BTW, i am not at all angry. I just know for certain that some hatchery bird keepers feel bad about what is said about their birds. And not just me.

I LOVE BYC. IMO, there is no book that could have ever given me what BYC has.

Enormous gratitude goes to Rob (and his supportive wife)

In a sense you are correct. Hatchery birds are not bred to compete against birds bred to the standard and therefore are not good choices for anyone wanting to exhibit birds (thinking 4H kids here). Hatchery birds are often bred for easier production not quality. That sometimes makes them a better choice if production rather than adherence to the Standards is your goal.

Each person should have the birds that are right for their situation. I would love to have Large Fowl But with the zoning regulations on size of outbuildings Bantams are correct for me.

When someone posts a picture I do not comment. If someone posts a picture and asks what we think of their darling fluffy I tell them clearly. While we need to be courteous we also need to be honest. Beware what you ask for.

I would love to encourage more people to show, attend a show, and understand how breeding with a goal in mind works(toward breed standards or your pet project). Even if only to attend a show someday as an observer and find it is or is not for them that person is learning. More chickenstocks perhaps?

I also would like to thank BYC very much. I have met people from all over that love the breed that I raise and love. You provide a valuable service. Sometimes we learn and sometimes we return the favor and help someone else.

 

[Gypsy07]

How about an entry for Marsh Daisies? I can supply photos...

 

[Buff Hooligans]

Regarding the Orpington page front material, it is text that I indeed wrote. However, I wrote it as a casual, beginner-oriented page, never knowing that it was going to be annexed out into this format as an official represenation of the breed for experts to see. I think I should delete it then, if it's not what the Breed Pages needs. No offense taken.

 

[wolftracks]

I'm not sure that I'm getting it so bare with me.

As far as the breed pages, I'd much rather see pics of SQ over pet. I've raised and shown dogs for decades and if I'm researching, I want to see the best of the best. As far as my birds, I'd also like to see this. I'd also like to see big, clear pics. That's something I can't even get these days, due to only being able to use a phone. LOL A cute candid shot of either is nice, but a clear uncluttered pic of SQ would be very helpful for both breeders and anyone just starting out. Most of the pages here do not have enough pics to show what you are looking for from egg to adult. These type of things need to be updated. We have a section for breeding where most are working on imroving and showing. Maybe a Hatchery section is needed so others aren't left out.

Maybe something showing the difference would be helpful and each breed page and then the mention of hatchery being bred to produce more if that is what they are looking for. I know here, I want both. The birds that produce the egg I want the most often and staying within the standard is what I'd like to produce myself. Call me a dreamer. Everyone has a place and it does shock me sometimes at the way someoen will answer someone about their birds and not be kind in doing it. There's a way to critque without making someone feel like their bird and maybe themselves, don't matter. The thing is, so many people don't know what to look for. It would be nice if what they found was the true SOP.

I've had hatchery birds. Yesterday I bought the cutiest little Silkie roo, who has the wrong comb and I'm sure other issues, but I liked his coloring. LOL Some of us are just pushovers for a pretty face or something unique, but when you are looking up a breed and getting to know what to look for, I think the SQ shots are so much more informative and would also bring more new members when they see the quaility of the list.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Nifty-Chicken]

A few quick items:

1) Nobody should be deleting anything! We're trying to organize stuff better, not remove stuff.
2) We'll want to have representation of all facets of a breed. Of course we'll want the most prominent information and pictures to be centered around the proper standards, but we also want the database to be full of pictures, information, and experiences from all sorts of people and birds.
3) Let's make sure that we don't let this discussion turn into any debating around breeds, hatcheries, etc.

Please keep the ideas and suggestions coming. We want to make our breeds system the "best" resource available that includes accurate breed information but also a huge diversity in pictures, experiences, and information.

 

[wolftracks]

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How could it not be? This place is the absolute best!

 

[wolftracks]

Rob I wanted to mention that if there's something I'm capable of doing that would help, I'd be more than willing. Not sure what it could be, but I'm here.