HELP! prolapse with egg inside? (pictures)

[Chicalina]

She will start to get backed up with poop very soon and that can be fatal.

I wouldn't expect a huge amount of bleeding and aspirin is a very mild blood thinner so I wouldn't be too worried she would bleed too much. You've got more important things to deal with anyway than pain relief.

Mucous membranes heal much quicker than external skin. And chickens heal real quick anyway. If you decide to cut it out, which may be your only option soon if you can't get it back in and then out again through the right channel, then she will either heal fine or she won't, but you are running out of options. I would give her a course of post operative oral antibiotics anyway and treat with antibiotic cream internally, assuming you save her. As time goes on over the next 12 hours or so, she will become critical. If the prolapsed tissue is swollen and/or twisted and/or drying and necrotic then surgery is essential at that point and could be too late.

Do you have a vet she can go to? Can you deal with this yourself?

The video showed that hen tore a little. I think that was inevitable and the lesser of two evils. But in your case there is no exit hole available in the prolapsed part to stretch or tear to ease the egg out.

Just my personal opinion, but if I really couldn't manipulate the egg out safely, then I'd be cutting a small slit in an area with the least blood vessels. I would do this if I had tried everything else and failed.

I'd want to try rather than let her die slowly of internal sepsis or faecal impaction.

Try everything conservative you can and take on all suggestions, but I think you'll have to make a decision soon about being more proactive.

I hope others can offer more advice here.

 

[Chicalina]

I had a quail with this issue. It was her first egg, and the egg prolapsed out, but wasn’t quite at the end of the road, so I was not able to locate the exit hole in order to lubricate it and try to help it out. I pushed the egg back in and gently pressed it up as far Into the tract as I could, which is probably easier with quail due to their small size. I held the prolapse in for a short time, and I set up a warm water bowl that reached up over the vent when she stood in it. I left her there for a couple hours, and I was then able to locate the exit and I helped her pass the egg by oiling and gently pushing back the skin as she tried to push it out. After she passed it, I kept her indoors with no artificial lighting, hoping she wouldn’t lay for a few days. Her next egg passed fine. After that she was just one of the group, no long term effects. The egg was not even big, totally normal, it just seemed like the exit road got prolapsed and cut off the way to the door.

OP, I know you said you tried to push it back in but it just came back out again. You recall I suggested holding it in for a bit, like Floorcandy has described. Can you try this again? With lubrication and easing with your fingers?

It has got to be worth another try. Surgery is a last resort and you might just sort it out without having to cut her or before she becomes critically ill. Perhaps if you can video it and post it here, people can see better how to help or what else to suggest?

I wish I could come over and help you!

 

[SoCha]

I had a quail with this issue. It was her first egg, and the egg prolapsed out, but wasn’t quite at the end of the road, so I was not able to locate the exit hole in order to lubricate it and try to help it out. I pushed the egg back in and gently pressed it up as far Into the tract as I could, which is probably easier with quail due to their small size. I held the prolapse in for a short time, and I set up a warm water bowl that reached up over the vent when she stood in it. I left her there for a couple hours, and I was then able to locate the exit and I helped her pass the egg by oiling and gently pushing back the skin as she tried to push it out. After she passed it, I kept her indoors with no artificial lighting, hoping she wouldn’t lay for a few days. Her next egg passed fine. After that she was just one of the group, no long term effects. The egg was not even big, totally normal, it just seemed like the exit road got prolapsed and cut off the way to the door.

Perfect, we will try this again. Hoping it will help.

 

[SoCha]

She will start to get backed up with poop very soon and that can be fatal.

I wouldn't expect a huge amount of bleeding and aspirin is a very mild blood thinner so I wouldn't be too worried she would bleed too much. You've got more important things to deal with anyway than pain relief.

Mucous membranes heal much quicker than external skin. And chickens heal real quick anyway. If you decide to cut it out, which may be your only option soon if you can't get it back in and then out again through the right channel, then she will either heal fine or she won't, but you are running out of options. I would give her a course of post operative oral antibiotics anyway and treat with antibiotic cream internally, assuming you save her. As time goes on over the next 12 hours or so, she will become critical. If the prolapsed tissue is swollen and/or twisted and/or drying and necrotic then surgery is essential at that point and could be too late.

Do you have a vet she can go to? Can you deal with this yourself?

The video showed that hen tore a little. I think that was inevitable and the lesser of two evils. But in your case there is no exit hole available in the prolapsed part to stretch or tear to ease the egg out.

Just my personal opinion, but if I really couldn't manipulate the egg out safely, then I'd be cutting a small slit in an area with the least blood vessels. I would do this if I had tried everything else and failed.

I'd want to try rather than let her die slowly of internal sepsis or faecal impaction.

Try everything conservative you can and take on all suggestions, but I think you'll have to make a decision soon about being more proactive.

I hope others can offer more advice here.

We don't actually live anywhere with an avian vet around, and if so, the prices would be extremely high and we do not have the means to pay for this. We are taking all suggestions, we've decided to do the surgery later today if nothing else has worked by then.

 

[SoCha]

OP, I know you said you tried to push it back in but it just came back out again. You recall I suggested holding it in for a bit, like Floorcandy has described. Can you try this again? With lubrication and easing with your fingers?

It has got to be worth another try. Surgery is a last resort and you might just sort it out without having to cut her or before she becomes critically ill. Perhaps if you can video it and post it here, people can see better how to help or what else to suggest?

I wish I could come over and help you!

We have tried holding it in. We will try again with more lubrication this time. How long do you suggest I hold it in for? Surgery is our last resort, we still have hope as you mentioned.

 

[Weeg]

@Eggcessive What are your suggestions? I personally don't think surgery is a good idea. It will cause a lot of pain, and may not work anyway. Of course, you don't have a lot of options at this point, but look really hard and try to find a hole in the prolapse. I'm no expert, but hoping others can give suggestions.

 

[Wyorp Rock]

A quick updated photo of what it looks like now might be helpful, but I'm going to go with this one you posted yesterday.

This is MY Opinion and I'll give you my 2¢ I'm not a vet, nor an expert.

The egg is not going to go back inside, so that's a waste of time. I wouldn't worry about twisting or whatever I keep seeing mentioned. There is an egg stuck and it needs to come out.
ONE Last attempt at getting it out without cutting - apply your lubricating oil at where I have drawn the red line, push that tissue back. Unfold it. Yes, it's likely going to tear.
See if you can work the egg out.

If that does not work then either cut or cull. Sorry to be blunt, but a hen with a prolonged prolapse like this does not have much time.
Douse with Hibiclens (Chlorhexidine) or Betadine and make an incision and remove the egg.
Apply triple antibiotic ointment to the exposed tissue. It may or may not go back in. It may or may not get infected ... no one knows, this is a wait and see kind of thing.

Likely quite a bit of fecal matter is going to come out when you get the egg out, so be prepared. Rinse the tissue well of any poop.

She's lethargic and sleeping a lot. She may not survive. All you can do is try one way or another.

You can sometimes find Amoxicillin (Fish Mox/Fish Antibiotics) at stores like TSC. Depends...supplies are hard to come by. It may have to be ordered. You may have to order something else, but an antibiotic would be essential to give as soon as you can get it.

No aspirin.

 

[Auntiejessi3]

I hope your lady is ok

 

[SoCha]

A quick updated photo of what it looks like now might be helpful, but I'm going to go with this one you posted yesterday.

This is MY Opinion and I'll give you my 2¢ I'm not a vet, nor an expert.

The egg is not going to go back inside, so that's a waste of time. I wouldn't worry about twisting or whatever I keep seeing mentioned. There is an egg stuck and it needs to come out.
ONE Last attempt at getting it out without cutting - apply your lubricating oil at where I have drawn the red line, push that tissue back. Unfold it. Yes, it's likely going to tear.
See if you can work the egg out.

If that does not work then either cut or cull. Sorry to be blunt, but a hen with a prolonged prolapse like this does not have much time.
Douse with Hibiclens (Chlorhexidine) or Betadine and make an incision and remove the egg.
Apply triple antibiotic ointment to the exposed tissue. It may or may not go back in. It may or may not get infected ... no one knows, this is a wait and see kind of thing.

Likely quite a bit of fecal matter is going to come out when you get the egg out, so be prepared. Rinse the tissue well of any poop.

She's lethargic and sleeping a lot. She may not survive. All you can do is try one way or another.

You can sometimes find Amoxicillin (Fish Mox/Fish Antibiotics) at stores like TSC. Depends...supplies are hard to come by. It may have to be ordered. You may have to order something else, but an antibiotic would be essential to give as soon as you can get it.

No aspirin.



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Thank you so much. If the tissue rips, do we apply superglue after to close it back together? I will try as you said, this will probably be our last attempt. We have antibiotics we can give, so we're good on that aspect. We will be trying and I'll update on how she's doing soon. Thank you again!

 

[SoCha]

I hope your lady is ok

I hope so too