Help!! <Seller Replied>......is this dark enough?-PICS!- w/ link

[amazondoc]

Remember, the French standard says that a bird must lay at least #4 eggs AT SOME POINT DURING THE LAYING CYCLE in order to be considered a true Marans. It does NOT say that *every* egg has to be at least a 4 or better.

The hens that those eggs come from may very well lay 4, 5, or 6 level eggs **at some point**. The eggs YOU got are not very dark, but a lot of factors may be involved -- length of laying cycle, age of hens, and so on. So be careful about what accusations you make to the seller!

 

[Bleenstar]

I asked first if he/she gave me the right eggs. haha

 

[onthespot]

I would say if the seller is selling "marans" eggs then he must sell eggs that are at least a four on the scale. In a court of law any judge would dismiss a claim, not verifiable or proven, that these birds had at some point laid a dark egg but were now laying lighter ones which he is selling as marans eggs. He is selling marans eggs, he must deliver "marans" eggs to the bidder. End of story.

 

[Bleenstar]

Thanks onthespot, I'll keep that in mind

 

[amazondoc]

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Ahhh, but that's not how the law works. The other guy doesn't have to prove that he's innocent. The accuser has to prove that the other guy is guilty! So the accuser has to prove that the hens have NEVER laid an egg of #4 quality or better. Which, of course, he can't do.

 

[amazondoc]

Okay, I just looked at the auction you bought from.

Here's where you get him.

You do NOT accuse him of not selling Marans eggs. However, he's got two pictures of nice dark eggs -- AND he has NO disclaimer about your eggs possibly not being as dark as those in the pics. Many egg sellers DO use that sort of disclaimer. Therefore, since he has NO disclaimer and DOES have pics, he is creating a specific impression that you will get eggs which look like those in the pics. And you CAN legitimately prove that the eggs in his pics are significantly different than the eggs you received, since you have pics of yours.

Leave out any question about the breed involved. Go on the pics and the absence of a disclaimer. Make sure you save copies of HIS pics as well, in case he removes them.

Good luck!

 

[tfpets]

Thank you guys for helping the buyer clarify their argument?
Tina

 

[Bleenstar]

Thanks guys I will do that. You guys are awsome!!

 

[drom]

OK, this is long (sorry)
Yes, if pictures listed in the add are quite a bit darker than the eggs you received, the you have an issue of "Item not as described" or pictured.
I would just go the seller and tell them that you were expecting much darker eggs than this. That the eggs pictured are much darker and that you are unhappy and would like your money back and ask what the seller's policy is to refund.

If after you have tried to negotiate with him in good faith and he doesn't respond reasonably, then you need to pursue the process on e-bay (I have never used it but there is one) and of course, if nothing works then you post the dissatisfied response under the feedback section for this seller. And, it is important to list in that comment exactly what you got from him so that other buyers will avoid this seller. Make sure you don't wait too long to do that as there is a window of time when you can respond with feedback.

But I would give the seller a chance first to respond to your request for a refund and see what he will do for you. You have a lot more power to effect this person's reputation and business than you realize you do. I think most sellers are well aware of this and want to make sure people are satisfied.

Oh and one more thing. If the seller offers to provide a partial refund like the cost of the eggs but not the shipping, if I were you, I would meet him half way and take that and here is why- If you did not know this seller or did not have lots of recommendations from other people, then you took a little chance and there's nothing wrong with that but it carries the risk that you might not be satisfied.

I bought my eggs on e-bay and I am very happy with my birds, but before I bid I got recommendations from 2 people here on BYC, 2 people from the American Marans Club and two big named breeders who all said the seller had nice birds and eggs.

Good luck!!!!!

 

[drom]

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Eggs that are a 7 or 8 on the scale would be either pullet eggs or from a exceptionally good hen. The French club site states that the very best hens will stabilize after the first 20 eggs at around a 6. Also, even the best hens, the ones that lay 6s late in to the laying cycle, can still lay light eggs sometimes due to any number of factors.

When you see pictures of extremely dark eggs, like 7s 8s or 9s on the chart and the person is telling you these are hens eggs and that their hen or hens always lay that dark, you should be skeptical.