Heritage Large Fowl - Phase II

[NYREDS]

Me too ! If God had meant for us to milk cows, he would have given us 4 hands !

Who was the first guy [or gal] that looked at a cow & said "see those things on the bottom? I'm gonna squeeze them & drink whatever comes out."

 

[RedRidge]

 
Me too ! If God had meant for us to milk cows, he would have given us 4 hands !

Who was the first guy [or gal] that  looked at a cow & said "see those things on the bottom? I'm gonna squeeze them & drink whatever comes out."

Makes more sense than eating an egg... At least they probably witnessed the babies drinking and assumed nutrition... As opposed to an egg?! ;-)

 

[gjensen]

Never had much success in milking a buck !

That is good to know. LOL.

 

[fowlman01]

LOL.

It is ok to disagree. Nothing wrong with that.

Like I said, I bought into it, Made sense to me. At first.

Medicine has advanced to a point where a doctor cannot know all that is available to know. They are however, highly specialized in their own field. Every specialty is different. Frankly, some are simpler than others. Some are trending to dividing into subspecialties. That is good and bad.
Most people will have a good experience. We know so much, but there is so much that we don't know. Then much that we think we know, really we do not know. I have been running the doctor race for a year now. Many secondary diagnoses, but the primary diagnoses is far from me. My condition crosses specialties. That has been a big hang up.
I have had to learn a lot about my situation, and it is amazingly complex. At first I was impressed by the amount of information available to me. Until I saw how much that information disagreed. I am referring to research by top institutions. Vanderbilt, Cleveland, Mayo, etc. And they are moving forward so fast, that what was true yesterday is no longer true. Then so much is based on funding. This is a very rare condition so there is no money in it. Often much of it ends up incomplete and unfinished.

So my view is that we are a very informed people, but at the same time, increasingly misled. Just by the shear volume of information, we get both good and bad information. Equally convincing. Like in the internet nutrition movement etc. The average person knows more than ever before, but believes more untrue things than ever before. Anyone that has anything attached to his/her name is free to publish whatever they please. And people believe it passionately.
People that have conditions like myself are vulnerable to it. They are desperate for answers, no one has any for them, and they get on all kinds of tangents. There are a lot of snake oil salesman with Dr. attached to their name promoting all kinds of absolute nonsense. And people believe it. Not by the hundreds like 200 years ago, but by the thousands. Even the hundreds of thousands. These guys are not regional anymore, but have followings that cross continents.
Nutrition is full of these quacks.

And with how we are able to spread information, we perpetuate it ourselves. And we think that we are thinking independently. Somehow, we are all experts, LOL.

Everyone is familiar with the gossip effect. Information changes a lot among ten people. Include a hundred thousand and it is amusing to watch.

As a whole we are certainly very informed and very misled. I am sure that includes me to.

It is this way with chickens to. Often a knowledgeable and reputable person will say something and it is in print. Even true for a particular scenario, then many good reputable people apply it to every scenario universally. I see it all of the time.

It is good that our birds and ourselves is not as needy and fragile as we would think today. We both would have been extinct a long time ago.

For me, I am going to keep it simple. Fresh water, a balanced ration, fresh air, good conditions, some sunshine., and keep an eye on the parasites. I will leave all of the extras at the store for someone else to buy. I figure it a service because the demand is high.

Raising chickens should not be as complicated as some here would like it to be. Chickens do very well with minimal attention. I must admit that I sometimes laugh out loud when I read about all the fiery hoops people go through to raise their birds. People can do it any way they like, but I don't have time to do all this extra work and expense. If you want to make chicken raising hard ,start breeding to a written Standard.

Walt

 

[Lacy Blues]

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... I have been running the doctor race for a year now. Many secondary diagnoses, but the primary diagnoses is far from me. My condition crosses specialties. That has been a big hang up...
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George, I have known too many people and/or read about too many people who had several doctors who didn't communicate with each other and came quite close to killing their patients because of all the different drugs being pumped into them that conflicted with the other drugs being pumped into them.

I just ask that you make da***** sure your doctors are communicating.

 

[hellbender]

For the first time I can remember, I'm considering properly fasting and killing a young cock bird, as opposed to a capon. We have nice 8 to 12 pound capons in one of the chest freezers....wouldn't have to walk 45 feet to retrieve one.

My feelings were hurt about 30 minutes ago. We have a very nice yearling cock that Jason and I both really like and have on the TOP 10 list as prospective breeding cocks for next year.

OK...I was out in the shop, which is in an area that the birds can get into. I was minding my own business...I stooped over to pick up a broom that had fallen over ...and VVOOORRAAAAMMMM! Right in the azz. He hit me like a ton of bricks and all but pushed me over, face first, because I was not expecting it. I knew/know what he's capable of but I hadn't seen even one chicken in that area...Not one.

Frankly, it took me about 3 seconds to figure out just what had hit me. I'm not asking for advice...I'm a big boy....just relaying my feelings so I don't go out and wring his Ruby Red Neck and throw him in the walk-in for 'choppity-chop', in the coming fall, before discussing it with the pseudo-boss!

I'm not mad but I am exceedingly indignant...

 

[fowlman01]

For the first time I can remember, I'm considering properly fasting and killing a young cock bird, as opposed to a capon. We have nice 8 to 12 pound capons in one of the chest freezers....wouldn't have to walk 45 feet to retrieve one.

My feelings were hurt about 30 minutes ago. We have a very nice yearling cock that Jason and I both really like and have on the TOP 10 list as prospective breeding cocks for next year.

OK...I was out in the shop, which is in an area that the birds can get into. I was minding my own business...I stooped over to pick up a broom that had fallen over ...and VVOOORRAAAAMMMM! Right in the azz. He hit me like a ton of bricks and all but pushed me over, face first, because I was not expecting it. I knew/know what he's capable of but I hadn't seen even one chicken in that area...Not one.

Frankly, it took me about 3 seconds to figure out just what had hit me. I'm not asking for advice...I'm a big boy....just relaying my feelings so I don't go out and wring his Ruby Red Neck and throw him in the walk-in for 'choppity-chop', in the coming fall, before discussing it with the pseudo-boss!

I'm not mad but I am exceedingly indignant...

I know you don't need this advice, but if one of my birds does that to me they die on the spot. I had a LF Sumatra put three holes in one cheek of my butt and one hole and two slices in the other .....on top of knocking me down. I thought my wife had hit me with a baseball bat from behind.....not that she had any reason to do that.....but that's what I thought in that split second. I grabbed him and left him twitching on the ground with his head /neck curled up like a cork screw. Came back to bury him and he was gone! Heard a noise behind me and he was getting ready to do me again......so no they don't learn if you just put them in rooster jail or whatever folks do here to stop that behavior. His luck ran out the second time and he ended up helping my tomatoes grow. If the head is in a different place than the body, chance are they will not attack anyone again.

Walt

 

[Arielle]

Quote: I let most of my birds outto forage everyday-- they get a variety there especially during the most productive 3 seasons.

I am moving toward more and more foraging as I do think there is enough information to indicate the improved health value for humans in microchemicals of fruts and veges that as I eat my birds, I want the best nutritive value to fight off diseases.

George, you are the greatest authority on yourself. Please dont ever forget that. You actually know more about yourself than any of the doctors.

As far as doctors and research: People want to beleive that medicine is a world of gods . . . . and some MD/researchers like to be treated as gods and are remarkably arrogant,but in truth studies are mostly a way of finding a "maybe" and the it needs long term investigation and the result is usually the findings are but another builidng block but not the answer.

I live with a long family history of a particular cancer. For me it is not 'if" it is "when". My grandmother and all her sisters, but one, died in their 60"s. Ironically the one that did not have the genes for it(I"m guessing as she live well into her 80's healthy) did not have children. ( Or did child bearing turn on the genes??) I am appalled at the amount of money solicited to find "cures" for cancer and so very little talk about prevention. Prevention is not the money maker treatment is. Generally we seem to like to find the cause of something before trying to persue the cure. I'm sorry that the "c" word sucks up so much research money when it need not be so, and those funds could be put toward the truly tricky conditions that are very complex and truely need many angles of attack to find prevention and treatments.

Ironically it was the introduction of chickens to our farm that introduced me to people that feed in "odd" ways and I realized these methods could also be applied to the human diet. FOr me I am trying to prevent my gene from turning on thru a good diet or at least provide the support my body needs when a rogue cell starts growing. Chickens started out as a fun source of eggs, but has brought me to illness and disease prevention thru eating high quality foods.

It is easy to add green leafy veg and other veg to the diets of our birds, and to our own diet, too. I realize some here don't eat their birds. . . but for those that do . . .What they eat, we eat.

Goerge, I"m sorry an effective treatment is not availble right now, but perhaps you can eat the foods that best support a healthy body---it is a challenge to change what we eat. I ate my aspargus and fresh eggs with cheese for breakfast . . . certainly not the foods I grew up with.

 

[Arielle]

Ron I had a boy do that a couple days ago. He's never been a problem. I've given his a few chances since to come at me-- He's never done it since-- if he does it again. Stew!

THe look on his face at the time was-- "oooops!"

 

[hellbender]

I know you don't need this advice, but if one of my birds does that to me they die on the spot. I had a LF Sumatra put three holes in one cheek of my butt and one hole and two slices in the other .....on top of knocking me down. I thought my wife had hit me with a baseball bat from behind.....not that she had any reason to do that.....but that's what I thought in that split second. I grabbed him and left him twitching on the ground with his head /neck curled up like a cork screw. Came back to bury him and he was gone! Heard a noise behind me and he was getting ready to do me again......so no they don't learn if you just put them in rooster jail or whatever folks do here to stop that behavior. His luck ran out the second time and he ended up helping my tomatoes grow. If the head is in a different place than the body, chance are they will not attack anyone again.

Walt

Walt, I mean no disrespect but your adventure is so much funnier than mine!

When he finally got to the point that he could knock me down, his fate was sealed. I'm not afraid of him and Jason certainly is not afraid of him but we have a woman who comes and cleans house at least 2, perhaps 3 times a week and while she's not really afraid, she does not need to be dodging a seriously hostile rooster.

I had a little discussion with my son over lunch and I was preparing to ring that cock's fat red neck but Jason has a buddy who is hitting on pretty hard times. He lives alone and has grown up on his dad's farm...and he's very accustomed to rogues likes this boy. So, Jason called him and he accepted gladly and asked if Jason would sell him a few layers...So this evening, The boy will come over here and get the cock and Jason's going to give him 10 two year old hens. He has no wife or kids and lives up a 'holler' so ...today will have been the last time that rascal will have gotten the best of this ol' bird!!!

RON