How do I breed a Silver Pied peafowl?

Discussion in 'Peafowl' started by crystalchik, Jun 15, 2010.

  1. Dany12

    Dany12 Songster

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    Hopkins say this peahen is a purple pied white eyes :

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    Pied .... really ????
    I see a purple dark silver pied !
     
  2. I would agree that it looks dark pied white eye or dark silver pied to me but Craig Hopkins has been doing this a loooooonnnng time! Much longer than I have.
     
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  3. Garden Peas

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    @AugeredIn , you are so right when you remind us that Craig Hopkins has been at this longer than most of us -- and even more right when you suggest with the tone of your response that this is an argument we don't have to have.

    That photo was pulled off of the Hopkins website, but I don't see any indication that anybody asked Craig what his current interpretation of that bird would be. There's about a gazillion things on the Hopkins website, and I seriously doubt if he has time to go back and constantly double-check everything on there. I'd be much more comfortable if the original post either said, "Look at this photo I found on Hopkins' page, what's up with this?" OR "Hey, I checked with Craig Hopkins about this photo of his, which doesn't match my current understanding, and he told me...." Instead, that photo got posted as a kind of "gotcha" -- which is frankly rude.

    During the very loooooonnng time that the Hopkins have been raising peafowl, there have been many, many new developments, and lots of increased understanding of peafowl genetics. Some of that has come from cooperative discussions and generous sharing of information. There are many things we still don't understand well. As a historical note, I remember that it wasn't very long ago that we were deciding whether to call a bird "silver pied" based upon the amount and distribution of white on the bird. There are old discussions "out there" which still omit any mention of a white-eye gene. And the term "dark silver pied" is still very, very new -- it would have been an oxymoron when silver pied was measured in percentage of white on a bird.

    There is some updated discussion info on the Hopkins site that reflects this new terminology of "dark silver pied," and yes, those photos are also on the site. But my guess is those photos and their labels may well have been there since the days when that bird would have properly carried that nomenclature. So before anyone goes suggesting that Craig Hopkins isn't correct, maybe the person that flashed the photo with the tag "Craig Hopkins says..." might actually ask him?
     
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  4. Dany12

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    For beginners these sites are regarded as THE BIBLE ... that's the problem!

    A part of the truth is not the truth!

    I was looking for a pic of Dark silver pied .... impossible to find.
    What does it look like ?
    Now i know that a Dark silver pied is not a dark pied with white eyes !
     
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  5. q8peafowl

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    Last year a pair of opals out of silver pied pair, so they were dark silver pied birds, they looked just like any other opal birds, and they didn't have any single white feathers on their body.
     
  6. Dany12

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    Interesting .... I suspected !


    Here are 2 pitures of Petra ( http://www.pfauenzucht.eu/Farben.html ).
    She made the comparison between a peahen Dark Silver pied and a peahen Dark pied whith white eyes.

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    Dark Silver pied

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    Dark pied with white eyes.

    The back of the Dark Silver pied is a lighter shade .... bluer , and we see the effect "silvering" ..... effect pied silvering !
     
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  7. Garden Peas

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    Dieu me protège de tel soin... Eh bien; si quelque chose en manque du Bible, dîtes-le au Moïse.

    The terminology "dark silver pied" is new. The description was not wrong under the previous understanding and terminology; the new terminology is more precise, but the old is not necessarily wrong.

    Beginners learn by asking questions, and quickly learn that it is necessary to sort out old information from new evolving information on the internet.

    Have you asked Craig his current opinion of that hen? Perhaps he will change the caption if you bring it to his attention, or perhaps he will explain the breeding of the bird to you, if it differs from your understanding.
     
  8. Garden Peas

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    q8, do you have pictures of the opal birds? I would love to see them!
     
  9. q8peafowl

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    I have an image of the male now, i sold them all, he is an opal black shoulder.
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    Keep in mind that's I'm not saying *all* dark silver pieds will not have whites on them, but i had before at least 5 dark silver pied birds with no white on them. Also hatched some few whites.
     
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    I don't have image of the hen now, but I remember she was darker than my opal white eye hen.
     

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