q8, you raise a couple of questions I have been pondering for awhile... We know that a bird which is split to white (one white gene) OR split to pied (one pied gene) may show a white throat latch and/or one or more white flights. But I am not aware of any way to tell whether it is a pied gene or a white gene, nor whether there is any consistency as to one or the other or both. (My BS hen has both, no solid clue yet which gene is causing it.) Does anyone know if there is a consistent match between one gene or the other and the white throat latch/white flights? I've always thought it could be either, but I don't know for sure. Does anyone know whether a white eye gene can also show itself through the white throat latch and/or white flights? Or is it just that it turns up as an incomplete (milder) version of white eye when there is a single copy? Do white eye birds with two WE genes have the white throat latch and/or white flights? Or are those simply unrelated to WE genes? Thanks, I'm afraid I worded that poorly, so hoping you all understand.