I am so mad I could spit nails!

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Way to go!!!!!!!!!!! Proud of ya!
 
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Good for you, I think you are graduating to becoming a bigshadow now!

Those feet were made for walking! BTW, my 22 and 19 year olds do not have cars or DL either. They needed to be able to afford car insurance before they could drive...22 is close with a nearly full time job, 19 is ages away - job? what job? It is on them, not us. Bike, bus and trolley are readily availble and paid for by us. Car, gas and insurance - on them like it was on me once I was out of high school.
 
Good for you!!! My 9 year old tried to treat me like dirt and she got told a few things she didn't like-to say the least. Now she respects me more. Kids like to push and challenge us and we need to decide where to draw the line and take our stand there! I'm glad you have taken your stand and that it is working!
 
I am so glad the strike is working. I never once thought you were raising them without discipline...if yuo had been you would not have been so upset over their actions.

Lack of parenting and discipline also equals a lack of emotion over their behavior. So, I knew you were doing the right thing and they were just being little toerags.
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I do not know what it makes me but I know one thing. I can smile when my now 24 year old calls me and says "Mom, you remember when you said x y z and made me do x y z? Well now I see why why you made me, thanks"

I remeber at age 5, he was running through the clothes racks in Sears and I told him twice to stop it and not do it again. The third time he did it, I snatched him up and put my hand on his backside. On the third swing for his backside some stranger grabs my wrist and tells me not to strike that child again. I told her to release me or receive worse. I asked her if she wanted him and she stuttered... ummmm no but ummm and she headed off to get the manager and I kept shopping.

She returned with the manager and she was busy telling him I was spanking my son and he said What did he do? I told him and the manager looked at my son and said..."Boy, you know better. Let me hear of you doing this again and I will wear your butt out" Kids eyes bugged out, the woman's jaw fell open and I laughed and said Thanks Dad.
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She had gone and found the manager who was also the grandfather and my father.
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I really believe that the laws enacted to protect children (which were meant for those cases of abuse) are prohibiting parents from being parents. They are prohibiting teachers from teaching and controlling their classrooms. They are causing the problems in a major part and certainly pushing the problems along.

A friend back in NC had a 17 yr old that was sneaking out of the house, smoking dope and skipping school. She caught him leaving one night and she locked all the doors and windows. When he came back she refused to let him in the house. Her thought was to teach him a harsh lesson. long story short. cops show up and tell her that UNTIL he is 18 years old, she is responsible for him and cannot kick him out.
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So, she is responsible for him and his actions but cannot do anything about his behavior.

I know one thing...the day they come to my door and tell me when I can punish my child, how and for how long, when I can spank her or for what, is the day they take her and raise her. She knows this and would prefer to stay here where she is and do what I ask or suffer my punishment. Amazing when you give them the choice, they can think for themselves and figure out where they are better off.
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I do spank my daughter when she does something very bad....sometimes we get glaring looks from parents and one mom said I should not spank her. I told her spare the rod and spoil the child does not always work!

There is a difference in abuse and disclipine...even animals do that too. Chimp mom even smack their child when the child bites or misbehaves, did we ever call the authorities on them????? Personally I have seen mares kicked their foals when they got out of line......

That is why so many kids nowadays have NO respect for their parents or their elders......
 
The strike is going great...I feel so much more relaxed than I did before. !8 yr old is gone for the weekend. His girl friend came to get him. They ask me to bring him, and said nope not my job. They are being very civil to me. They are helping alot, but I still will not do anything for them. Unless it is emergency. My 16 yr was having a problem with fixing food, all he knows how to make is ramen and sandwich. Yesterday he said "mom I really need meat". I said okay but it's going to cost ya. So, I took him to DQ. Well, gotta go for now.
See ya
 
I agree whole heartedly. Why not run off a few pages of what some of these folks saying. No extras for food, cakes, chips, sodas, no spending money, if the NEED something, ok, tell them to save their money and you will pay half.
I had a woman stop by one day and I was telling her with pride that I worked on a dairy farm, milking cows at the tender age of 12 on up until recently when the farmer retired selling the farm. My parents said if I wanted critters, I had to take care of them and pay for the supplies.
Both parents worked, dishes and laundry was the least I could do, and expected.
We never had video games 60 channels of TV and the radio was at a low volume.
Once we decided to move out- do anything you want to...
That is when you learn that all this stuff has to be done and if you don't want to do it, the landlord or police will show up!
You are only doing your sons a favor by teaching them this lesson. Soon they will be out in the real world and moms not going to be there to coddle them, nor buy their games. 16 and 18, they need to learn some big lessons.
Oh and by the way, this woman that came to visit was appauled at the fact that my parents made us work. She honestly was very upset with tears expecting me to go against my parents lesson. I won't as I learned the value of a dollar, how to find help when I went away, and how much a pail of milk was, bailed hay and shoveled poop. Pretty good way of entering the real world. My feet were planted flat on the ground.
God bless and it isn't a strike my dear, its a life lesson and you go for it!
 

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