I could lose my land for growing food!!

[faykokoWV]

I agree with you on some things. First of all, the President, who ever it is, does not have the power to create laws.

Second, yes we do need laws.

I guess where we will have to agree to disagree is that I feel the majority of the laws should come at the state level. There was a time in this country that the Senators were appointed by the States to represent the states (they were not elected) and congress was elected to represent the people. The laws should also not be redundant.

Third, I don't trust all businesses either, but if I disapprove of a business, I can stop doing business there. If I stop doing business with the government (paying taxes), well, they can put me in jail.

I don't blame the government for most things, I blame people. What happened to personal accountability.

I do want to thank you for your service to this great country of ours. Thanks to you and others in the service, we can have this conversation, and that is the most beautiful thing in the world.

editing to add, I don't even sell food, but this bill would still affect me because it will affect small farmers which will eventually affect all food that I buy

 

[chicks4kids]

tackyrama- I'm not sure if you understand the proposed bill.

I don't need someone telling me how to grow my food, on my property, that I pay taxes on. I don't need a gov't official deciding what kind and how many chemicals to use on my garden/crop. Do they really think they are saving us from ourselves??

And if you want to call it paranoia, that's your choice. I choose to call it preparedness.

As far as taking away the guns, that was a giant rumor as well. It was barcoding every single round so it could be traced back to the owner. They also tried to slip in there and only allow so much ammunition to be sold at a time. Also, that would keep you from selling ammo to a frieind, or maybe if times were tough, trade it for food, clothing, etc.

With people losing their jobs left and right, money is getting tighter, and more robberies, B&E's, bartering, selling, and trading is going on everyday. Eventually these people that are struggling now, selling off everything just to keep food on the table, will run out of things worth selling. Then what?? (I'm not saying that everyone will resort to this) Just yesterday I had to take my dad a 38 for his peace of mind due to all of the most recent break-ins within 1 mile from his home. I also gave him 5 rounds. Had that barcode bill passed, I would have committed a crime.

I do agree with some of your points. But I do think that we need to become the voice again. I think it's gotten lost along the way. And it's so hard to determine the difference between fact and fiction with what we see/read on the internet or hear on the news these days.

That's why it's good to have a place to come to discuss it with other people and get different opinions and ideas.

 

[seismic wonder2]

I think a lot of this is aimed at the growers that don't keep an eye on their farms. They just want to make money and don't care how. Like the ones that caused an outbreak of something because the "workwers" were cra pping in the fields, contaminated the salad and people died.

For everyone else (even the small farms that sell at the farmers market) I would HOPE they don't cra p where they grow MY food!

Many people don't understand why there are so many health regulations for restaurants etc... until you've been through management training and understand some people are NASTY and they don't even know WHY they need to wash their hands after a bathroom break before handling other people's food Or why I won't let them work in the kitchen with a cold.....

These regulations came about because some people are too stupid to live. Back in the 50's they would have died using a hair dryer in the shower. But now we have GFCI's and safety lables on everything. Our gene pool is shallow and full of pee.


So sit back and enjoy what your fellow stupid humans did for you!
While we wait for death at the hends of the govt. Go rent "Idiocracy" and see what our future is.

A lot of the regulations are made by people who think that food comes from the food mart. "You don't get tomatoes from the ground?!?!? They come in a plastic bag silly!"

 

[deb1]

I am just curious. Wouldn't the bill make it so that only large companies like Tyson could sell chickens? It sounds like the smaller guy would not be able to do business anymore.

I don't have the admiration for big business that some have but neither do I want laws to be passed that shoot the little guy/gal in the foot.

Also, don't countries like France have regulations that favor fresh food and smaller growers? How does that work for them?

You would think with health care being a major concern right now that the government would want people to eat very fresh, organic vegetables that come from local growers.

 

[rebecca100]

I wish I had faith in the gov't to do what is best, but I think it is just a business like the others. They do what is best for them and big business. Everyone knows that severe regulation is coming for small farmers and we are seeing it in every corner. Whether this is it or not, I really don't know. I think it will come under the guise of disease control and it will have the support of people due to fear and be funded by big companies that will stand to benefit. I really don't look for the gov't to control gardening(for selling) at this point in time because I do have faith in Obama not to do anything to alienate the people and his wife gardens and has a school children doing a garden. I just don't look for it to pass. But it will not be the last and the next may be even worse. (refering to farmers markets not individuals for household use)

Just becuase your paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you!

Edited to specify what i meant

 

[fowltemptress]

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I'm not sure what you are trying to say but I think you intended it for me. I am a vereran and do not share the distrust of our govt. that you seem to have. I just feel we are becoming Paranoid in the U.S. When Obama was elected a lot of the people I have coffee with every AM were sure the world was coming to an end. Like one really believed it. He said "What's going to happen to us white people now?" SERIOUSLY he really said that. Another thing so many people believe is he's (Obama) going to take all our guns away. That is just not true. I looked up what he has really said about guns and NO he does not want to take any guns away. He has said even it he wanted to congress would not let him. What he is talking about is assault rifles and armor piercing ammo. Yeah!! I'm all in favor of taking that off the market. You just don't need an assault rifle for hunting a deer. Obama has been intentionally misquoted by certain groups and people who's motives are very suspicious to me.

When a large portion of our population believes that we never landed on the moon and say it's huge govt. conspiracy. CMON NOW!!! I think we've become a bit mad if we believe that.

It's the same thing with health care and now with this food bill. It's being blown all out of proportion. When I look around me I see all the time things that should be put a stop to. If anybody really thinks that businesses should be self regulating think again. It's been tried before. Think back to all the miners killed because companies didn't care about working conditions. Think about how we almost lost eagles and peregrin falcons to extinction because of the big chemical cos. Just to mention a couple. Without govt. laws and protections these would have been much worse.

In my own area a man was sentenced to 15 yrs in prison for burying toxic waste. The co. he worked for paid him to dispose of it and didn't ask how. He took it home and buried it on his land where it got in the ground water and poisoned lots of people badly. I'm glad the govt. had the guts to step in and correct things and I'm glad he got got 15 yrs.

Now this food bill might not sound too good to some people but I'm left wondering why? You got something to hide maybe?

My point is this: Some people don't trust the govt. Well I do not trust businesses - of any size. I do not trust ANY business to do the right thing. I do not even trust BYC to do the right thing. BYC has proven to me in the past just how one sided they can be. With any business it's all about the mighty dollar. That is why we need govt. regulations.

 

[mjdtexan]

I have been screaming for years that we are loosing our freedoms every day. We really are.


However


If yall read the parts of the bill that one of the posters put on this thread you will notice that it does not effect you if you are just producing food for you and your families consumption. So, relax.

What we aught to quit doing is importing vegetables from Mexico. We have farmers starving to death yet we import food from Mexico.


Please read things like this carefully, when we trip out over stuff that we really have not read through we look kinda silly and it also lets them know that we are capable of panicing over stuff we are not clear on.

 

[deb1]

While I do not plan on selling any produce or eggs anytime soon, I understand that some on this forum do sell their eggs. I am all for fair regulations, but sometimes goverment aims to protect us from the big boys not realizing that they are hurting smaller, family type business.

Some people also like to buy locally from farmers that they know. These types of set ups are usually not large and able to afford the cost of heavy regulation.

People, just write your representatives. If they get enough flack over this bill then they will reword it to protect the smaller producers while still forcing large companies to be more safe in their practices.

 

[mjdtexan]

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Now here, I agree with you. It does look like the "little guy" is going to take a beating here. I too, like to buy from farmers. I just dont see the language in this bill that is going to ban you from growing your own food. I does get them alot closer and that should scare us.

 

[speckledhen]

Stay tuned because this is how it's going. Soon, we'll be saying "Please, sir, may I grow a tomato plant on my deck?".
IMO, it is my RIGHT to feed my family. I will have chickens, I will grow a garden no matter what asinine garbage they come up with. We need to remember why this country even exists. Some seem to have forgotten. Very sad.

I made the above statements, but I want to clarify after receiving a nasty-gram on my opinion here from a member. If you look at my words, I did not say that this food bill would do the above, but that this was the trend in this country--tighter and tighter, but unneeded restrictions, on the small farmers and then, conceivably on home grown goods. That is not hysteria on my part. I stated the opinion in a calm, but firm, manner. That is my opinion as a contributing member of this forum and I'm sticking to it.​