I Need Fish HELP By 12:30 This Afternoon!!

[usschicago1]

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Bettas, dont "love" small little tanks.

They Love being able to swim around, in REALLY clean water.

They originate in Thailand, in rice patties, which are thousands of gallons, and extremely clean.


Bettas need AT LEAST 1 gallon, which must be cleaned every 3 days, if you have a 2 gallon it can be cleaned once a week. And if you dont have a heater, they need to be kept in a warmer room of the house.

Yeah I have two five year old bettas each in five gallon tanks. I didnt get that way from just throwing them in. I had to do my research and care enough to put money into there needs. And when I bought them, they were both diseased with fin rot, an open infection and cloudy eyes. Now they have perfect, long fins, clear eyes with good vision, and are very healthy. Not to mention they are already living past life expectancy. If you want this you need to change your thinking

 

[WhiteCochinLover]

They dont need and 1 gallon tank! everyone that I have ever known that have had battas dont put them in big tanks... and when you go to the pet store go look where they battas are all the tanks that are "batta tanks" are less then 1 gallon and they are made especially for battas.... if the batta EXPERTS make those little tanks especially for battas then battas can deff live in them! They know what are best for the fish! and my aunt had a batta in a little vase that lived for 5 years! thanks for the help!

 

[bagendhens]

1: its BETTA not batta....

the tanks are NOt ade by experts any more than saying "experts" make the clothes you wear. the tanks are designed and made by human beings looking to make as much money as possible off people who dont do their research...
you can buy a brand new 10 gallon tank for $10 or you can buy one of those 1/2 gallon "betta tanks" for $30...hmmm which one is a beter buy?! but people will buy the more expensive tank simply because it says "betta" on it.
its not designed by a betta expert, nor is is endorsed by betta experts...
infact most betta experts and breeders would skin you alove for keeping a betta in a little vase of bowl under 1 gallon!

a dog can live a long life in a tiny cage...doesnt mean it should...
why should a fish be any different....oh wait, its because its "just a fish"


but obviously YOUR the all knowing betta fish expert, with your 7 or 8 betta fish in vases and your aunt with a 5yr old in a vase...
ill be sure to let my now 7 year old betta living happily in his 5 gallon tank with a heater and a filter know that he should just suck it up and live in a 1/2 gallon vase, hes not supposed to like to swim, and hes supposed to be hiding in his plants all the time...

5 is NOT "old" for a betta...its just the "average life span" because people keep them in tiny bowls and vases because the guy at the petstore (who btw has NO formal fish training, i know...i used to work for petco AND petsmart...theres NO training) says its ok...and the money hungry retailors who manufacture those tiny little plastic jail cells for fish tell you "its made for a betta" so obviously they MUST be experts...
they dont care if the fish is happy or healthy...they just care that you spent the money...
so have fun, i wish your fish luck!

 

[WhiteCochinLover]

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Your message is a bit harsh...don't you think? I do not wish to make enemies on this site; I'm simply trying to get some helpful advice from others on the site. I've really appreciated the civil and respectful responses sent from many other pet lovers-that's what will keep me coming back to this site.

#1. it seems that you're more interested in making grammatical & spelling corrections than you are in giving helpful advice; this site is meant to be helpful, not insulting. Did you realize you could give helpful advice in opposition of the person you're communicating with, KINDLY? You can! You should try it!
#2. if we want to start making corrections of one another's messages, you might want to be careful about what you send...example: "ade" shoud be made, "infact" should be in fact, "alove" should be alive-I guess "skin me ALOVE is better than skinning me alive- NO ONE is going to be skinning me alive...boy, what a comment! Shall I keep going?
#3. I never insinuated it's "just a fish" otherwise, I would NOT have sought advice on this site
#4. You go right ahead and talk to your fish letting him know how awful the conditions I'm putting my betta in; I'm sure he'll be real interested in your conversation
#5. Finally, a kind remark in wishing my fish luck. Gee, thanks so much!
#6. Looking forward to more positive remarks and advice in the future! Have a wonderful day!!

 

[bagendhens]

heres the problem...

everyone thus far has given you EXCELENT information reguarding the keeping of betta fish, your the one who took attitude when people told you betta should NOt be kept in tiny vases and NEED a minimum of 1 gallon...

so yes my post was harsh but only after about 3 pages of people trying to NICELY tell you that a tiny little bowl or vase is NOT a good choice for keeping a betta despite what the "experts" at petco/petsmart tell you..and despite what the "experts" who make those tiny little "betta tanks" will try and have you belive.

you didnt want to hear actual advice...you want people to agree with you and when they didnt and i particularly got agrivated with the fact that after asking for advice you blatantly ignored and Argued about the FACTS of keeping betta from people who im sure have had many more than 7-8 of them...(i know theres at least a couple of betta breeders on this forum...(i even posted a link to a WONDERFULL betta forum with lots of amazing information for you but i doubt you even checked that out))

i realy do wish any fish a long happy and healthy life but the fact of the matter is, betta fish cannot happily live in tiny vases of 1/2 gallon bowls...
can they survive?! sure they can...
but thats like saying a dog can survivie in a tiny cage so its OK to put them in one for the rest of thier life...
just because you CAN doesnt mean you should...

and spouting that its ok to keep betta in tiny little fish prisons because "experts" make them drives me crazy because its such a MASSIVE case of misinformation which many dont care to learn any differently...
those bowls, vases and tiny tanks are NOT made by fish experts anymore than allglass company who make fishtanks are fish experts...there not..they simply make little glass/plastic boxes to be sold to people who keep fish...
its up to the person buying the fish to do thier homework...


ill use my own fish as an example...
gigantor is a blood parrot cichlid.
He is almost 9" in lenght and a good age...
his exact age, i dont know.

i got gigantor from a rescue situaton, hed ben kept in a 20 gallon fishtank with an adult oscar who had been beating the snot out of him...he was missing most of the scales on both of his sides, he hid all the time and wasnt a happy fish...hed lived in this situation for years aparently...and had grown form a tiny 1" fish-ling to an almot 8" (when i got him) adult, he ate no problem, and "officially" a 20 gallon tank is mroe than enough water for the 2 adult fish...
he ate, he sat around in the plants, he grew...
for all effective purposes...he was "healthy"

but because the oscar was beating him up the owner gave him to a petstore locally...there usually pretty good with fish and ive shopped there before.
i found gigantor crammed into a 10 gallon tank...big enough in water volume sure...an 8" fish, 1 gallon per inch being the general rule, but he couldnt move, the tank was barely long enough for him to turn around...
be ate, he sat around in his 1 little plant and he was...for all effective purposes, "HEALTHY"...

does that make it right?! is it "ok" for an 8" fish to be cramed into a 12" long space simly because hes still alive and eating?! NO...

they gave me gigantor, he now lives very hapily in a 30 gallon tank (soon to be 55) guess what, he eats, he grows and does everything he did in the 2 tanks which were much too small for him...
the difference however is my "LAZY" fish is now acive, he swims he chases the other fish, he moves his "furniture" around, hes active...hes not just healthy...hes HAPPY


the RULE for keeping all tropcial fish (betta are a tropical fish) is 1 gallon per 1 inch of adult fish...bettas can actually grow to 2" full grown (bigger for the "king" subspecies" so given the RULE used by almost all tropical fish keepers, a betta would actually require a minimum of 2 gallons.
due to the fact however that betta are labyrinth fish many betta folks agree that they can happily live in aproximatly 1/2 that given gallonage as long as the water is kept imaculatly clean...so...1 gallon IS the minimum for a betta fish.

(for goldfish this rule changes to 10 gallons per goldfish minimum for deep bodied fish like moores and 20 gallons for long bodied fish like comets...)

your the one who took the attitude first when people were trying to educate you and save yet another betta from a life in a Wholley inappropriate "home"

as a side note, my spelling and grammar is attrocious...i have a brain injury and quite frankly hate spell check...
however i feel that if your going to get a PET, you should at the minimum be able to spell the name of that species correctly....
to me its the equivalent of someone getting a doberman and calling it a dovermun...if you dont know what its called...you shouldnt be buying it.

 

[ZoeS95423]

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In most cases, petstores dont even know how to take care of bettas.

If you get a care sheet from petco it will tell you they like muddy water, and try to say they originate in thailand, in rice paddies which are mud puddles. But they arent.

 

[thekid]

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One lady at petsmart once didnt want to sell me any fish, i had 8 tetras and wanted to add a couple of white cloud mountain minnows (not sure if the name is correct) I have a 10g she said 8 TETRAS!!! YOUR TANK IS CROWEDED YOU CANT KEEP ANYMORE IN THERE!!!! and once my neighbor tried to buy a bearded dragon from there but the lady wouldnt sell him one because he doesnt have enough space. blah blah blah they know nothing. But there is one guy who is educated there that usually takes care of me when i am there.

 

[WhiteCochinLover]

Okay I was never rude to anyone.... They were rude to me first saying I need to do my research.... and I am getting my BETTA tonight and he is living in my vase and he will love it! and I am sorry to hear about your brain injury... but you shouldnt be correcting my spelling if you are making mistakes too....

 

[xchairity_casex]

if betta bowls weere created by "experts" then what where goldfish bowls also created by the "experts"?

you know experts made the goldfish bowls becuase it says "for goldfish on it"

thats why all the very best goldfish breeders and show'ers keep there 12 inch fish in those!

 

[bagendhens]

they were rude for saying you need to do your research...when you DO need to do your research, like i said, you just dont want to hear the truth, you dont want advice you just want people to go "aww yeah thats a GREAT idea, go for it" then got upset when NOONE did...

so lets see how many pages of people telling you its not a good idea...but of course YOU know better...
and i didnt correct your overall spelling, i corrected the name of the poor species of fish your going to cram in a vase because...you know better!

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