I agree with you on some points Eric.... I think I've had more experiences like BlackBantamCochins though. I seriously don't mind helping out 4-H kids if they come to me early enough. I put on several clinics last year just with showmanship, bathing, conditioning, etc. 4-h birds start way back in January.... Not that first week in May right before the project slips have to be turned in. Our deadline this year was May 14th. I bet I had at least 2 dozen calls or e-mails that week before looking for show stock, fully in condition, and just ready to be set in a cage for fair in a month. It especially irks me when its the 14-18 year old kids that just want a state fair trip and don't want to put any effort into conditioning the birds, picking out a matching trio, etc. They don't want to deal with brooder tubs in the house in the middle of winter. They don't want to clean pens when they have school, volleyball, track, etc. They want it all done for them. I've cut too many breaks on kids like that in the past to see them sold for big money 2 days after the fair is over. The kids I do help are those same ones that keep their birds after fair and come back to exhibit at our open shows in the fall. I quit bending over backward on those kids that just want an easy ribbon. Those are the kids that I ask if they want to be on a waiting list for chicks next January.... The ones that are truly serious about getting into the breed will take you up on that for the next year.