yes those island reds are also excellent layers. Orpingtons are good layers too but they don't beat the RIR. They have a sweet temperament though . Not sure where you are located but I know of some RIR chicks for sale now in bargersville and I saw an ad for a place in Salem as well. Craigslist. Or of course you can still make a hatchery order. I like mcmurray.