Interesting article regarding commercially raised meat chickens in US

[Brunty_Farms]

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It's not chances.... it's not luck.... it's simply good management with the customer as the number one priority. Big Ag has only one objective in mind....I'm sure you know what that is.

 

[WalkingWolf]

Hey what about that Putin? What a mean guy to play with denying food for his people for political reasons.

 

[bigredfeather]

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Do you expect anything less from a former head of the KGB.

 

[WalkingWolf]

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Do you expect anything less from a former head of the KGB.

Yea that is what I thought, I never liked the guy to begin with and I think if he had his way they would be back to the USSR again. He is very wealthy and getting more wealthy though.

 

[Brunty_Farms]

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That's a sad statement. The problem is we can't see it... and either can the workers... but it does happen. If it didn't happen, there would be no need for chlorine. If I can't see the farm or the processing of the birds, I'm not going to buy their product.

I could call up any big chicken plant and ask for a live tour... my request would be denied. Why? What's to hide?

I do take offense to your statement... my chickens are night and day to the ones you have been eating. Do you not process your own? I'm offended because I take great pride in what I do... I do everything in my power to make a better lifestyle for my chicken, workers/helpers, and to have a CLEANER way of processing. Have you seen any dirty pasture poultry producers shop? Not a back yard set up but someone that does it for business? Very clean, and very organized. We have to be, because we are customer inspected, far greater than any organization than the government. People can use common sense on the farms that they visit, they can't on the ones the can not see.

First I did not name you in any way... Second I have the right to buy chickens from who ever I please and set the standards of quality. If you are offended you should think how accusations that are leveled against others without any proof whatsoever are taken. I am offended anytime someone is besmirched with so little regard for the truth.

Yes I process my own chicken, yes I use chlorine in that process, for both sanitation of knives, blocks, and yes a final dunk before the chicken is bagged and stored. Are you inspected? And by whom? Do you have a health department grade? Have you taken the required safe serv training, and testing? Do you submit swabs for testing? Do you carry liability insurance for your business?

I have taken live tours of plants, this was before I owned poultry myself, now I would be refused. I provided security services for several plants, part of those services was a inspection of the plants during operation. They take sanitation and bio security very seriously. I do not know where you get your information as you already admitted you do not have first hand information. Please if you have a source, let's hear it.

Please do not turn this into a me against you debate, I have my opinions you have yours. You have to take responsibility for your life just as I do mine. And again I do not believe that Putin's decision had anything at all to do with the safety of chicken.

I'm offended for one.... you say my product is unsanitary. Despite proof from multiple sources... you still claim that commercial poultry is cleaner.... when in reality it's not. They are not mythes nor assumptions... pure hard laboratory results. You more than welcome to choose who you want, but don't do it because you think my product is unsanitary.... come see it for yourself. The answer to your questions... I do everything that I'm suppose to by law with my state plus more. I don't need an inspector my state said I didn't need one yet. Does that make myself unsanitary? Why would you be refused now? That makes no sense to me that they would allow a visitor... then they stop? First hand information for what? What do you want to see? I will give you all the sources you need... just let me know what you need.

It's not a debate with you and me... I'm supporting what I believe in just like you. But your making assumptions based on your friends knowledge. Prove to me otherwise... I have countless of links to provide you if you want them on how unsanitary your processing plants can be.

Where do you get your chlorine from? Do you have a permit to use pure chlorine? Sorry but bleach is not the same as the chlorine found in water... that's pretty gross if you poor bleach in your water that you let your birds chill in.

 

[Brunty_Farms]

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Sorry... but that's just not the case. Again, prove one case.... just one... where pastured poultry have even been accused for it? If it's so dirty there would be hundreds of claims... so you shouldn't have a hard time on google finding one.

I already gave you a case, no I am not going to bring someone else into this that is not a member. This was for a infection after a tattoo on a minor, but with consent. The infection was not traced back to the man giving the tattoo, but he did not follow guidelines, and he was not licensed or inspected. His sentence was one day short of a year, and banned from doing the art of tattooing for the rest of his life, plea agreement to avoid a felony. I arrested him, nice guy, but the law is the law. Shame is he was a fantastic talented artist.

BTW again if you have some proof as to your claims could you present them?

WOW... tattoos..... are you serious? I thought this was a chicken forum? What a sec I can give you any claim... it doesn't have to be chickens? Come on.... I'm talking pastured poultry... name one case about pastured poultry that someone ate a bird from a farm that raises pastured poultry and got sick... just one.

Tattoos....

 

[Brunty_Farms]

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Who is getting sick?? Back to the original post, haven't we debated that chlorine rinse is off the bird by packaging??? I thought we covered that during my birine/chlorine comparison.

Now if you are talking about the birds themselves you would be wrong too. I'm pretty sure at times most of us have more birds than the recommended square footage. It doesn't matter if they have 1000 birds in 2000 square feet or I have 10 in 20 square feet. I guess I am just a small sized fecal farm

Chlorine is not off the bird before it's packaged... thats the problem. There are people that are allergic to chlorine... and can't each chicken processed this way..... I will try to find the link, so i'm not a liar... lol...

 

[WalkingWolf]

I'm offended for one.... you say my product is unsanitary

I got as far as that and stopped. Knock it off, get back on topic, I never named you in any way. You are looking for a personal fight, I am not.

Let's talk about Putin, and why he pulled this stunt. Do you have any opinions about Putin and how he is running Russia? Do you think we have fair trade agreements with Russia? What do you think our government should do in response to this latest action by Putin?​

 

[Brunty_Farms]

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How is he denying food for his people? He is trying to be sustainable by bringing chicken keeping to his country... creating jobs... local economy... probably considered a hero in Russia...

 

[fancbrd4me02]

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Who is getting sick?? Back to the original post, haven't we debated that chlorine rinse is off the bird by packaging??? I thought we covered that during my birine/chlorine comparison.

Now if you are talking about the birds themselves you would be wrong too. I'm pretty sure at times most of us have more birds than the recommended square footage. It doesn't matter if they have 1000 birds in 2000 square feet or I have 10 in 20 square feet. I guess I am just a small sized fecal farm

I'm not sure anything you said was actually in response to my statement. What on earth did I say about the birds or your operation if you have one? I pointed out how probablility contributed to the liklihood of food bourne illness from contaminants. Apparently you are unaware that every year some people become ill from eating foods contaminated by bacteria. THOSE are the people who are gettin sick despite the chlorine baths. What I was trying to say is that there is a certain amount of probablilty that accounts for certain incidents of illness and that everyone was bickering over it.