International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

[Red Banks]

here fews photos of the chooks in they holding pen in the new farm.

What kind of orchard? Beautiful.... is it Spring there?

 

[Old Man Tom]

RedBanks and Chooks
Thank you soo much for your comments. I appreciate your sharing and knowledge. I have not breed chics or owned BCMs until 6 months ago. I feel privileged to have owned the ones that I have. They are truly a beautiful bird. Do not get me wrong it hurts my heart to process these birds. But, I do like to eat chicken. I am trying to, through due diligence, to breed quality birds. The title of this thread is "Breeding to SOP." So if I have yellow feet, carnation comb(coronation) can this be breed out and how many generations. I love my birds type and the colors of my cockerel. I have to discuss all of this with my wife. She would keep them all and we would have 1,000 birds. Thank you so much Tom

 

[Chooks man]

Hi RedBank is a sring here down under. The orchid is a middle easter plumes 150 trees. A lot shade and grass for my Chooks. 2 more days and they are going to be loose free from they holding pens
Well happy.
Chooks man

 

[chicapee]

I would be really grateful if someone could evaluate this boy for me.
Thanks.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/444381/black-copper-marans-discussion-thread/13410#post_17523786

 

[Braxton Brigade]

I would be really grateful if someone could evaluate this boy for me.
Thanks.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/444381/black-copper-marans-discussion-thread/13410#post_17523786

Chooks man is the real expert, he and this thread would be the one to ask if you plan to breed to the French SOP.

Redbanks is his diligent student and will surely provide a opinion when able.

I like the idea of posting on both threads in case someone runs across one but not the other, but this one is far more active than the other from what I have seen.

I think snowbird is one of the originals on that thread and is still around quite a bit, you will get more people tomorrow, I believe many people only get on this site in this mornings or late at night.

Chooks is very wise to the ways of Marans breeding, he seems to know the magical way around every fault and flaw.

It can all (within reason) be solved with time and passion for the breed.

 

[chicapee]

Chooks man is the real expert, he and this thread would be the one to ask if you plan to breed to the French SOP.

Redbanks is his diligent student and will surely provide a opinion when able.

I like the idea of posting on both threads in case someone runs across one but not the other, but this one is far more active than the other from what I have seen.

I think snowbird is one of the originals on that thread and is still around quite a bit, you will get more people tomorrow, I believe many people only get on this site in this mornings or late at night.

Chooks is very wise to the ways of Marans breeding, he seems to know the magical way around every fault and flaw. 

It can all (within reason) be solved with time and passion for the breed.

Thank you for getting back to me.

 

[Red Banks]

I would be really grateful if someone could evaluate this boy for me.
Thanks.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/444381/black-copper-marans-discussion-thread/13410#post_17523786

I read Braxton B's critique of your cockerel.

He has beautiful copper color on his hackles and a nice red shoulder.
He is very dark or the pictures are very dark.
I can't tell much from the photos. His tail is held too high. His body is triangular. He looks high up on leg.
His leg color looks good. Looks like light grey with pink showing thru. Nice feathering.
His beak color looks good but I can't tell about his eye color.
The pullet next to him in the head shot looks like she has little or no copper.

I am trying to go back and forth between this thread and the other to look at the pictures.

I am so glad you posted here. If you repost pictures of him please look at our post #1407. We will be able to give a much better critique with the right pictures. Looking forward to seeing all of your cockerels and some of your pullets/hens too!

 

[chicapee]

I read Braxton B's critique of your cockerel.  

He has beautiful copper color on his hackles and a nice red shoulder.
He is very dark or the pictures are very dark.  
I can't tell much from the photos.  His tail is held too high.  His body is triangular.  He looks high up on leg.
His leg color looks good.  Looks like light grey with pink showing thru. Nice feathering.
His beak color looks good but I can't tell about his eye color.  
The pullet next to him in the head shot looks like she has little or no copper.  

I am trying to go back and forth between this thread and the other to look at the pictures.

I am so glad you posted here.  If you repost pictures of him please look at our post #1407.  We will be able to give a much better critique with the right pictures.  Looking forward to seeing all of your cockerels and some of your pullets/hens too!

Thank you. I will try and get those.

 

[kcrandall]

Thank you. I will try and get those.

Hey Chickapee,

Here is my critique:

Head - Good shape, strong
Comb - good size/shape. Comb should be of average size.
Wattles - On the large size, Wattles should be of average size.
Ear Tufts - He appears to have copper colored ear tufts (good). Please confirm. You want to avoid dark colored ear tufts as he will produce pullets with no copper hackles.
Eye Color - Inconclusive because Pics are too dark or camera flash. Eyes should be orange and bright. You want to avoid dark colored eyes.
We need a good close pic of his head so we can see eye color, ear tuft color and to see if comb shows evidence of side sprigs, etc.

Body Color - Really nice copper hackles and saddle fearhers, nice red shoulder, lower body has a good matte black color.
Body Type - Appears triangular, good size but lacks mass and depth
Chest - Shallow. You want a full, deep chest.
Back - Appears he has a short back which causes the tail to ride high
Tail - Tail angle is greater than 45 degrees. 45 degrees are slightly less is preferred.
Leg Type - Long legged. Legs should be of medium length with good mass.
Leg Coloring - Good slate color. You want a medium slate/gray color with pink undertones (skin beneath the scales)
Leg Feathering - Looks good to me.

My opinion is he has more good qualities than faults. If you breed him to a hen(s) with overall good type/mass, long back, average sized comb/wattles then a fair amount of his progeny should be of good type, mass, coloring, correct tail angle, etc. Did you hatch him from your own stock or from eggs you purchased? If from your own stock then my question would be is he of better quality than his sire? If the answer is yes, then I would breed him. I would suggest single mating (1 cock x 1 hen) so you can better track which hen corrects more of his faults.

As you will learn on this thread - most faults can be corrected in a few generations with selective breeding. Chooks Man is our mentor and resident geneticist so he can help you match your hens with this cockerel.

Good Luck,
Keith

 

[chickengr]

Hi RedBank is a sring here down under. The orchid is a middle easter plumes 150 trees. A lot shade and grass for my Chooks. 2 more days and they are going to be loose free from they holding pens
Well happy.
Chooks man

it seems a better place for your chickens. more room as well. your chickens are lucky.