International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

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kfelton0002 said:
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No this isn't Gabby. This pullet is about one month younger. I have a few that are Gabby look alikes. They are very pretty. I promise to work on pics of each pullet and get them tagged. Tomorrow was going to be my free day to get that done and it just started raining. No excuses.... even if I have to do it in the kitchen like my friend Kayla!
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dvoice said:
I wasn't sure if the solid black would work out, but I would like to see my hens and their eggs larger. That is the main reason for choosing that roo. At 5 months old in my opinion other than a comb that's a little large and being over melanized I think he has an extremely well put together form. He is probably about the same size or a little larger than the roo I previously had for breeding which other than being a little smaller than i want and a short back he was OK, although his hackle started turning straw coloured through the summer( not sure if the sun can bleach out feathers). The one that I have chosen has some copper/mahogany that I believe will do well with the 1 yr old hens that seem to throw cockerels at least that have lots of colour( some with 50% on chest). I am planning on hatching a large amount in the spring and after they grow out choose the best and sell/ cull the rest of my flock. It's an experiment, I do sell hatching eggs but I also inform everyone what my concerns are and will keep doing so. Most people just want them for the egg colour which I believe should be darker even with these grow outs as my over melanized hens were putting out eggs that were a little different ( some were about a 4-5 on the pointy end but ended up as 7-8 on the other end of the egg) all I can do is try! I'd like to have a nice line that is completely from my own breeding, not saying they are from such and such a line.
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Ah you come to your senses .
you really want to increase the egg size Not Breeding the Black ( because they are the hardest variety to breed out there , a reason i m leaving it last tell I establish a pure silver gene first )

Any way you have to prioritize what you like to achieve first and go from there , but if you want to breed a great marans ( any variety ) than you have to follow the possible .

For the egg size I ll chose the hen with a largest and less pointed egg ,breed her to a rooster who hatched from a similar egg size ( if you don t have any rooster seem to correct her physical conformation ) =
1) hatch her eggs and rise her offspring male and females as F1 progeny .

Year 2 =
select the most correct 2 cockerels and 3 pullets from your F1 as F1Cockerel1 and F1cockerel2 , F1pullet1 etc.........
after you selected the best one based on body type and color .

Pen 1 mama hen X F1cockerel1 = you mate the hen to her son n1 = you will get = BX1 ( genetically we call it Back Cross 1 progeny ) .from this pen we are trying to produce a cockerel as BX1
Pen 2 = 3 F1pullets mated to they brother = you will get a true F2 ( from this cross we are trying to recombine the existing genes without adding new one to them ) from this pen we are keeping only the best 3/4 pullets based on the egg size shape they lay .as F2Pullets.

hatch a minimum of 25 chicks by pen and rise them and select from them .

Year 3=
Pen one and only pen needed to move forward the line .
mama hen and her best grand daughtersF2Pullet mated to BX1 cockerel = will get F3 progeny , we select the best cockerel and the best 3/4 pullets as F3 .


Option 1 = if we are happy with a F2 pullet and the BX1 with they body type and eggs size , we retired the mama hen and keep the pen the way it is
 
RedBanks said:
No this isn't Gabby.  This pullet is about one month younger.  I have a few that are Gabby look alikes.  They are very pretty.  I promise to work on pics of each pullet and get them tagged.  Tomorrow was going to be my free day to get that done and it just started raining.  No excuses.... even if I have to do it in the kitchen like my friend Kayla!  :highfive:
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Lol! They cooperate better on the kitchen counter. They just stand there and pose. I like to think they are admiring my choice of kitchen decor (chicken decor of course!) :D

I havent gotten everybody wing banded yet either. I plan on doing that as soon as I get time. Probably after I get a break from school in December. I completely understand what busy is like.

Cant wait to swoon over all your Gabby look alikes! The kitchen counter method never disappoints. :)
 
Chooks man said:
Ah you come to your senses .
you really want to increase the egg size Not Breeding the Black ( because they are the hardest variety to breed out there , a reason i m leaving it last tell I establish a pure silver gene first )

Any way you have to prioritize what you like to achieve first and go from there , but if you want to breed a great marans ( any variety ) than you have to follow the possible .

For the egg size I ll chose the hen with a largest and less pointed egg ,breed her to a rooster who hatched from a similar egg size ( if you don t have any rooster seem to correct her physical conformation ) =
1) hatch her eggs and rise her offspring male and females as F1 progeny .

Year 2 =
select the most correct 2 cockerels and 3 pullets from your F1 as F1Cockerel1 and F1cockerel2 , F1pullet1 etc.........
after you selected the best one based on body type and color .

Pen 1 mama hen X F1cockerel1 = you mate the hen to her son n1 = you will get = BX1 ( genetically we call it Back Cross 1 progeny ) .from this pen we are trying to produce a cockerel as BX1
Pen 2 = 3 F1pullets mated to they brother = you will get a true F2 ( from this cross we are trying to recombine the existing genes without adding new one to them ) from this pen we are keeping only the best 3/4 pullets based on the egg size shape they lay .as F2Pullets.

hatch a minimum of 25 chicks by pen and rise them and select from them .

Year 3=
Pen one and only pen needed to move forward the line .
mama hen and her best grand daughtersF2Pullet mated to BX1 cockerel = will get F3 progeny , we select the best cockerel and the best 3/4 pullets as F3 .


Option 1 = if we are happy with a F2 pullet and the BX1 with they body type and eggs size , we retired the mama hen and keep the pen the way it is
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Now let me get something straight here.
I've read numerous posts that you can use a over melanized hen with a proper colour roo, but wouldn't it work the same if it was switched? My over melanized roo/ cockerel is absolutely stunning!
 
Chooks man said:
Ah you come to your senses .
you really want to increase the egg size Not Breeding the Black ( because they are the hardest variety to breed out there , a reason i m leaving it last tell I establish a pure silver gene first )

Any way you have to prioritize what you like to achieve first and go from there , but if you want to breed a great marans ( any variety ) than you have to follow the possible .

For the egg size I ll chose the hen with a largest and less pointed egg ,breed her to a rooster who hatched from a similar egg size ( if you don t have any rooster seem to correct her physical conformation ) =
1) hatch her eggs and rise her offspring male and females as F1 progeny .

Year 2 =
select the most correct 2 cockerels and 3 pullets from your F1 as F1Cockerel1 and F1cockerel2 , F1pullet1 etc.........
after you selected the best one based on body type and color .

Pen 1 mama hen X F1cockerel1 = you mate the hen to her son n1 = you will get = BX1 ( genetically we call it Back Cross 1 progeny ) .from this pen we are trying to produce a cockerel as BX1
Pen 2 = 3 F1pullets mated to they brother = you will get a true F2 ( from this cross we are trying to recombine the existing genes without adding new one to them ) from this pen we are keeping only the best 3/4 pullets based on the egg size shape they lay .as F2Pullets.

hatch a minimum of 25 chicks by pen and rise them and select from them .

Year 3=
Pen one and only pen needed to move forward the line .
mama hen and her best grand daughtersF2Pullet mated to BX1 cockerel = will get F3 progeny , we select the best cockerel and the best 3/4 pullets as F3 .


Option 1 = if we are happy with a F2 pullet and the BX1 with they body type and eggs size , we retired the mama hen and keep the pen the way it is
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pressed a wrong button .

Year 4 = we cantake the option 1 described before and keeping the pen from pen3.
keep selecting for the egg size .
this one will be established inbred line early stage .

Option2 =genetically correct and yield a better result . MORE pens needed .
this method we create 2 line one we keep pure breed for the egg size and one we out cross it to add the trait we licking

pen 1 = pure line = we pen a rooster BX1 with his progeny pullet F3 = we make F4 and we only keep the best male/males as F4A /F4B etc.

Pen2 = out cross = F3 cockerel we selected penned with 3/4 pullets carrying the trait we looking for ( could be body color ,body type etc.....) = we get F1 all new we only keep a pullets from this cross as F1P.

Year 5 is far a way if we can reach this stage of breeding .

Line breeding is a complex thing to do but when is done and done properly will yield some sublime chooks .

All the best to every chooks breeders .

chooks man
 
dvoice said:
Now let me get something straight here.
I've read numerous posts that you can use a over melanized hen with a proper colour roo, but wouldn't it work the same if it was switched? My over melanized roo/ cockerel is absolutely stunning!
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i m not talking about the melanized chooks ,
I m talking if you want to increase the egg size .

Body color is different story all togother .

chooks man
 

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