International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

[dvoice]

you are absolutely wrong about how you are going to breed your marans .
you seem to me you made your mind up good luck to you .

Black Marans variety is not a over melanized Black copper .

the Black variety are E/E extended black family genetic
the Black copper Are ER /ER  Hackle family genetic .

So can you tell me how are you planning to breed a E chooks from a ER chooks ?
I ll be very interested to know how you are going to do it .

Good luck to you .

chooks man

I wasn't sure if the solid black would work out, but I would like to see my hens and their eggs larger. That is the main reason for choosing that roo. At 5 months old in my opinion other than a comb that's a little large and being over melanized I think he has an extremely well put together form. He is probably about the same size or a little larger than the roo I previously had for breeding which other than being a little smaller than i want and a short back he was OK, although his hackle started turning straw coloured through the summer( not sure if the sun can bleach out feathers). The one that I have chosen has some copper/mahogany that I believe will do well with the 1 yr old hens that seem to throw cockerels at least that have lots of colour( some with 50% on chest). I am planning on hatching a large amount in the spring and after they grow out choose the best and sell/ cull the rest of my flock. It's an experiment, I do sell hatching eggs but I also inform everyone what my concerns are and will keep doing so. Most people just want them for the egg colour which I believe should be darker even with these grow outs as my over melanized hens were putting out eggs that were a little different ( some were about a 4-5 on the pointy end but ended up as 7-8 on the other end of the egg) all I can do is try! I'd like to have a nice line that is completely from my own breeding, not saying they are from such and such a line.

 

[dvoice]

Another pic of her... on the move as always.

Personally I think her hackle is straw coloured. Keep a close eye on any future offspring. Breeding with a roo with a little darker copper would help correct that

 

[snowbird]

Quote:
This is not what is considered Straw colored.

 

[dvoice]

This is not what is considered Straw colored.

My mistake. Just looks kind of light. Especially in previous pics

 

[Red Banks]

Quote: From the Fench Marans Club website



The black excess

The present Brown-red color instability explains the frequent appearence of too black or even totally black pullets. These latters genetically remain Brown-red subjects and under no circumstances are they true Plain-Black.The mistake must be avoided and these two varieties mustn't be mixed in the selection.
These quite black pullets (but we should rather speak of Brown-red pullets with a strong black color) can in no way be presented in the show like belonging to a real Plain-Black variety. It would be swindle to sell them as such.
However, some too black pullets can become good work subjects but only if the egg color is very good (it goes without saying).
Indeed, the regular use of very well colored cocks easily corrects the black excess in some hens which are sometimes totally black.
This phenomenon is the same for the eyes color. The more than regular use of very well colored cocks whose eyes are orangery-red colored allows to improve some situations which would first seem unsurmontable (i.e hens with too brown or black eyes).
If the choice of the cock is of the highest importance in order to improve this Marans variety, the stress must be laid to recognize that with equal quality of the egg color, the ideal selection consists in using 100% of true color hens (notably with the coppery hackle) and not in selecting the "crows" ! except once more in case of emergency in order for example to protect the precious extra reddish-brown egg of a targeted stock.
On the other hand, in the same lineage, it is often easier to control the black excess in the cocks than in the hens. Generally, the cocks have the feet, the eyes and the plumage (including the "ear-tufts" ) less dark-colored than the same blood hens have.
That's why the standard accepts the more or less dark feet of the hens.
The orangery-eyes are notably essential. Today, very few hens have reddish-brown or melted

 

[Red Banks]

This is very interesting reading.

Brian Parks went for egg color. This man went for show and accepted 5-6 eggs.


http://www.maransofamericaclub.com/uploads/4/0/1/8/40183925/13e06a03.pdf

 

[Red Banks]

hello, just wanted to post a few pictures of the marans I'm going to use to start my breeding program. ok let's do this.
6 month old BCM cockerel

6 month old BCM pullets

6 month old French black marans pullet

6 month old french black marans pullet


I know they are not the best but I'm positive I can name something decent with them. I been reading the whole thread for the last week and really learned alot. I hope yall enjoy the pictures.

I must have missed this before..... are the last two pullets "Black" or BCM with no color?

 

[Red Banks]

Quote:
This is not what is considered Straw colored.
She looks just like this one did when she was younger. It is nice to have someone that has chickens bred exactly like mine!

 

[KF0002]

This is not what is considered Straw colored.

Oh good! Thanks snowbird! I admit I was worried her hackle was too light.

 

[KF0002]

She looks just like this one did when she was younger. It is nice to have someone that has chickens bred exactly like mine!

Yeah she is FRF. Hoping she will pair up nicely with Rusty. Is that the lovely Gabby? Oh how I hope my little FRF pullet turns out to look like Gabby. She is show stopper. Hopefully sisters?? Lol